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#1 Thehiddenone

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:12 PM

I wasn't really sure where to put this, but here goes:

I was wondering, how should I got about summoning a demon to make a deal with?

And second, how should I go about properly performing a Seance? (I am not a medium)

Any book that might have a ritual to perform or any set of instructions and advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:28 PM

I am bumping this because it's been a few months, I really need some help guys!

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:32 PM

Sort of like asking someone, "How do I fix a car?" No sane person is going to write you a ten page essay on it right here for your benefit, and anything that fits in a paragraph is worth less than these two of my cents.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:55 PM

View PostThehiddenone, on 05 September 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:


I was wondering, how should I got about summoning a demon to make a deal with?

How about starting what you already know about it, and why you want to know more.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:44 PM

Have you read any books on the subject? Also, what do you want and what do you hope to achieve?

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:50 AM

I have read some content, but some much exists I can sort fact from fiction. I was hoping to achieve contact with either a spirit or demon successfully, and either communicate with a dead relative / bargain with a demon for the same reason.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:53 PM

Below are two links that lead to fairly straight-forward instructions that you can follow. With sufficient time and effort the instructions will lead most people to the ability to experience two-way communication with spirits of virtually any sort, including deceased persons. You don't need to bargain anything for it. You just need to work at it diligently and with all due sincerity. As you get to working at it, you're more than welcome to post questions to appropriate forums on this site. You'll get all the help you need to succeed at your goal. Both sections are in need of revision, but the instructions are quite serviceable as they are.

Start here with a basic instruction for black mirror scrying. Where a self-hypnosis induction is suggested as an option, feel free to ignore that. Further experience and experimentation shows that sitting quietly can gazing as steadily as you can for 5-10 minutes is enough for most people to get the baseline effect, Practice daily until you can get the visual effects reliably. Don't bother trying to do anything with the visual effects when you get them. Just work at getting them reliably.

Once you are getting the effects reliably, then go to the sampling of applications page. There you'll find good sampling of things you can do with the visual effects. Feel free to read them all, but the bit you're looking for is under the Spirit Communication section, subheading Family Members that Have Died.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:46 PM

When I commented in another thread I spoke as if the FRDT was not in the context of an altered state of consciousness, however, I soon realized after that it does indeed at least appear to be a catalyst for one. Although just not the particular type of ASC that I am accustomed to, ergo my apparent dissociation.

Would you agree Mr. Laughlin, generally speaking, that the FRDT is conducive to altered states, i.e. could its' effects at some stage be classified as an ASC? I believe so, but am wondering what you think about this?
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:00 AM

View PostR. Eugene Laughlin, on 06 December 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

Below are two links that lead to fairly straight-forward instructions that you can follow. With sufficient time and effort the instructions will lead most people to the ability to experience two-way communication with spirits of virtually any sort, including deceased persons. You don't need to bargain anything for it. You just need to work at it diligently and with all due sincerity. As you get to working at it, you're more than welcome to post questions to appropriate forums on this site. You'll get all the help you need to succeed at your goal. Both sections are in need of revision, but the instructions are quite serviceable as they are.

Start here with a basic instruction for black mirror scrying. Where a self-hypnosis induction is suggested as an option, feel free to ignore that. Further experience and experimentation shows that sitting quietly can gazing as steadily as you can for 5-10 minutes is enough for most people to get the baseline effect, Practice daily until you can get the visual effects reliably. Don't bother trying to do anything with the visual effects when you get them. Just work at getting them reliably.

Once you are getting the effects reliably, then go to the sampling of applications page. There you'll find good sampling of things you can do with the visual effects. Feel free to read them all, but the bit you're looking for is under the Spirit Communication section, subheading Family Members that Have Died.

thank you for this advice. I must admit, I was kind of curious about the going price for a soul. Any demon tips would be appreciated :P.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:36 AM

View PostThehiddenone, on 07 December 2018 - 02:00 AM, said:

thank you for this advice. I must admit, I was kind of curious about the going price for a soul. Any demon tips would be appreciated :P.

That isn't advice, it's training. If you really want what you say you want, train for it. While the training I provided isn't the only way to go about it, it works for people who put in the effort. That's all I have for you until you start training, one way or another. Once you do, feel free to post questions that arise from your experience. I'll be more than happy to offer advice then. Others here will as well.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:15 AM

View PostThehiddenone, on 07 December 2018 - 02:00 AM, said:

thank you for this advice. I must admit, I was kind of curious about the going price for a soul. Any demon tips would be appreciated :P.

No matter what you are doing in life, if you don't give your soul to it then you are probably off the mark in some way.

Religion in the Dark Ages, the whole soul selling idea and the devil who wants it, was the backdrop of a bleak and miserable existence. Why does life suck so awfully bad, they asked from serfs to emperors, and this other better life agter the present was their only consolation. The only visible reward of civilization - the music, the grand architecture, the wonders and delights of ease and fulfillment of all knowledge - that was only done over many generations of agony. Heaven was their vision of who they would become, the ritualism and lifestyle imposed by religion gave them strength to build the world we now enjoy.

T ecumseh and his brother in the early American days had many prophecies of Chicago. The spirit work of the tribal nations, their version of the soul was also aiming at establishment of a celestial city. We now call it Chicago, and the last days of T ecumseh were their version of apocalyptic preaching.

In both vases the soul was in part a resignation to the toil in the hope of greater glory hereafter. At any time you can say screw it and just go have fun, and in that sense you probably could say your soul was sold. I dont think it makes a damn bit of difference to any actual hereafter.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:51 AM

View PostThehiddenone, on 07 December 2018 - 02:00 AM, said:

thank you for this advice.

You are welcome. Glad we could help, and good luck with your demon conjuring.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:39 AM

View PostThehiddenone, on 05 September 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

..

I was wondering, how should I got about summoning a demon to make a deal with?
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Just curious but what do you consider a "demon" to be? I have my own thoughts since your talking about selling your soul but want to hear your thoughts vice going on my perceptions alone.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:54 PM

View Postmonsnoleedra, on 07 December 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:



Just curious but what do you consider a "demon" to be? I have my own thoughts since your talking about selling your soul but want to hear your thoughts vice going on my perceptions alone.

A supernatural being, of some sort, in some form, that I can bargain with (hopefully verbally).

I have no idea how true this is compared to real life however, my view may have been stained by TV and other media.

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:58 PM

I have read some stuff about demon summoning, such as making a custom mirror with the demons sigil or going to a crossroads and performing a ritual. I have no idea which is true.

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Posted Yesterday, 12:01 AM

View PostThehiddenone, on 07 December 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

A supernatural being, of some sort, in some form, that I can bargain with (hopefully verbally).

Maybe for starters you could try enumerating some various modes of feeling via ritual, as a sort of pre-cursor, or warm-up. I would say, from my experience, that any verbal communication you would have with demonic type entities would be seeded in a dream-like scenario - inner planes; microcosm - that would then come to fruition in the outer planes - macrocosm.
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Posted Yesterday, 05:47 PM

View PostSpida, on 06 December 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Would you agree Mr. Laughlin, generally speaking, that the FRDT is conducive to altered states, i.e. could its' effects at some stage be classified as an ASC? I believe so, but am wondering what you think about this?

The "states of consciousness" language as used by the occult studies community has a lot of old baggage attached to it that, to my mind, tends to impair meaningful communication more often than it helps us understand each other. Most of the time it amounts to a public label applied to private experiences, and often enough, different people use the same label to mean different things.

It's fair to say that looking at a reflection of your own face and perceiving someone or something else's face is rather atypical. So, if having an atypical perceptual experience that can last for several minutes counts as an "altered state" the way you use the term, then yes. That's what it is. If that's not what you mean by that term, then maybe not.

To illustrate, my personal experiments confirm that when I sustain focal visual attention on anything for 5+ minutes, my perceptual experience deviates from typical in ways that are specific to the gazing conditions. For example, training visual attention on a candle flame in a dark room for long enough initiates the perception of things moving around in my peripheral vision. I can say there are many "things" but I can't say they're all of the same kind. If I divert my focal gaze from the flame the effect goes away.

I can say that candle flame gazing and black mirror gazing are qualitative different for me, in how I feel when I'm doing those things. They also differ in utility for me. Black mirror work is a tool I can use for magic as I practice it. I can't say that for the candle gazing effect. So, for me at least, it doesn't make sense to say that sustained gazing leading to unusual perceptual experience equates to "a state." Were I committed to the "states of consciousness" language, I'd have to say that the specific "state" depends on the gazing conditions.

I can also say that both of those activities feel different from how I feel when I meditate, which differs from how I feel when I do what I call astral projection, and so on. Each of these activities feels different from one another, and differs from how I feel when I'm reading a book, or driving a car. Car driving and book reading feel different from each other as well. The point is, as near as I can tell, everything I do might be associated with a different "state." So, which of the many "state" I experience as I go about my business is the norm to which all other states can be considered an alteration?
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Posted Yesterday, 09:57 PM

View PostSpida, on 09 December 2018 - 12:01 AM, said:



Maybe for starters you could try enumerating some various modes of feeling via ritual, as a sort of pre-cursor, or warm-up.

Ok, but what exactly does that entail? I don't exactly understand what you are saying here, are you asking me to perform a ritual to amplify my emotions?

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I'm not Spida but I think he's saying, and I'd suggest the same myself, is that you experiment with some various techniques to experience how you feel and how the "Technique" feels to you. Sit down and meditate with a flame and see how it feels to you to stare into the flame and actually see what it is like for you. Sit down and mediate and stare or reflect upon a black mirror, or an inked bowl of water to gain the same effect. Sit down, close your eyes and gaze into your 3rd eye region and meditate upon what images appear there. Sit and gaze into the shapes and images that are projected upon both the dancing flame itself as well as the wall behind the flame, the peripheral images that appear in your "Side Vision". That doesn't even touch upon altered states that are induced via things such as drumming, strobings lights, rapid breathing, fasting, drugs and / or alcohol, pain, etc. Each produces a different type of experience and context regarding how you will experience it.

For instance you mentioned "Speaking" to the entity, I can tell you for certain speaking to an entity in say dreamtime is quite different than speaking to an entity during journey work during drumming or while under the influence of drugs or pain induced altered states.

View PostThehiddenone, on 09 December 2018 - 09:57 PM, said:

Ok, but what exactly does that entail? I don't exactly understand what you are saying here, are you asking me to perform a ritual to amplify my emotions?

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