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Chakras On The Body Vs Tree Of Life On The Body?


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#1 Mskied

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 02:47 AM

Im wondering if there are any good theories on the difference between chakra alignment (straight up and down in the center) compared to the tree of life on the body (typical ToL diagram)?

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Posted 27 August 2018 - 04:51 PM

Chakras are Indian... Tree of Life is not. Any mix of the two is going to be New Age fun.

Want to really blow your mind? Compare the chakras to the peripheral nervous system. Instead of the ida and pingala you have the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems, and the entire endocrine system that hooks up to it all.

The underlying theory of chakras is that they represent spiritual - not physical - models upon which living systems build. If you model that underlying structure as an axis of a sphere rather than its surface, you get something that looks different but represents the same thing.


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Posted 27 August 2018 - 06:19 PM

so what points in the body would the tree of life overlay? some other glands?

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 12:09 AM

The Tree of Life - macrocosm. Along with its' individual microcosmic counterparts are highly reflective of one another. This will also hold true across various systems given that they are valid, i.e. a perennial root.

I believe there are at least four of the seven major chakras of the eastern system that have solid correspondences with the sephiroth of the middle pillar when the tree is viewed as its' microcosmic reflection. Oddly enough I sometimes refer to the 6th emanation as the heart of Yetzirah which in fact also corresponds to the heart chakra, and the others have fairly straightforward assignments.

Outside of the chakra system there are four other sephiroth located in the side pillars and another at the base of the middle that have microcosmic associations. They are the 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, and 10th emanations. Associated with the shoulders, mid arm, and feet - the archangel of the 10th : Sandalphon(Emanuele) : sandal; at the foot.
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Posted 28 August 2018 - 09:53 PM

Sincere experiments with "charka-like" work centered at physical localities other than the canonical chakras reveals that the experience of "charka-like" energy is a function of focused attention on the locality. Try it out. Spend a month working on your "knee chakra" as if it any other canonical chakra. Let us know what you learn.
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 08:49 AM

View PostR. Eugene Laughlin, on 28 August 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

Sincere experiments with "charka-like" work centered at physical localities other than the canonical chakras reveals that the experience of "charka-like" energy is a function of focused attention on the locality. Try it out. Spend a month working on your "knee chakra" as if it any other canonical chakra. Let us know what you learn.

This is inaccurate. I know for certain that chakras exist exactly where they are said to. I also know that the tree of life is in the body as well.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 11:29 AM

View PostMskied, on 29 August 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

This is inaccurate. I know for certain that chakras exist exactly where they are said to. I also know that the tree of life is in the body as well.

Deja vu yes they do. Mr. Laughlin was merely providing an exercise to be performed on a non-chakra area for the specified period of time that would then be evaluated, and perhaps compared to that of the exercises performed on 'actual' chakra areas.

Of course keep in mind that aside from the primary chakras that there are also secondary and tertiary chakras according to some systems as well as energy channels that number in the tens of thousands so perhaps this would warrant a perusal and possible factoring in as well.
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 01:43 PM

View PostMskied, on 29 August 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

I know for certain that chakras exist exactly where they are said to. I also know that the tree of life is in the body as well.

Upon what do you base your certainty?
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 04:04 PM

I dont deny that you can concentrate your consciousness upon any part of your body and become more aware of its density but I have had my chakras light up and I know from personal experience that it is not like anything that I can do in my own power.

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:16 PM

View PostMskied, on 29 August 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

....I have had my chakras light up...

Did you use a particular system to achieve this?
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Posted 29 August 2018 - 07:29 PM

When i was 21 my uncle gave me a book on meditation. It said to chant a Mantra and it gave me four choices. It said that when you start to meditate you will feel a pressure that makes you want to back down but to stay calm and chant and continue until you pass thru it. I did this and reached a plateau where I felt them become active. This lasted about 10 minutes.

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 12:07 PM

View PostMskied, on 29 August 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

I did this and reached a plateau where I felt them become active. This lasted about 10 minutes.

Have you replicated the effect since then?

Did the book tell you where the canonical chakras are supposed to be and that following the method would "awaken" them?
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:56 PM

No it was never fully replicated, just murmurs of the experience. The book didnt even mention them, and so it took me off guard, causing some delusions.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:15 AM

I've had the exact same thing, sort of. Profound (mystical) experiences that can never be fully replicated. When I was around twenty five years old my consciousness(spirit or soul) was sucked out of my body during a hypnagogic state(long story short). Never able to duplicate, but yeah the murmurs which are cool and interesting in their own unique ways.

I don't even meditate anymore, just contemplate which I suppose is a form of meditation, but seems much more rewarding as it gives me something to write about.

Although it seems as though that contemplation is beginning to run parallel with acquiring good music that I have barely, or never even heard before.
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Posted 10 October 2018 - 02:03 PM

View PostMskied, on 05 October 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

No it was never fully replicated, just murmurs of the experience. The book didnt even mention them, and so it took me off guard, causing some delusions.

Do you have any insights as to why you haven't been able to repeat the experience?
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:22 AM

I think what happened is that, in occult terms, I initiated myself, and when my chakras were aligned, I had been given a clean slate to start my adult life of experience, from which I began experimenting and gathering my knowledge, which led me to forming my Will, which led me to my ritualistic declaration that led me to the higher grades of experience.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:42 PM

View PostMskied, on 29 August 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

When i was 21 my uncle gave me a book on meditation.....

Mskied, can you remember the title of the book, the author, and/or the publication date?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:24 PM

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Sincere experiments with "charka-like" work centered at physical localities other than the canonical chakras reveals that the experience of "charka-like" energy is a function of focused attention on the locality. Try it out. Spend a month working on your "knee chakra" as if it any other canonical chakra. Let us know what you learn.

I have found magic to take the framework in which a given work is presented along with the work. My initial experiments were in the area of sympathy, but I did it with energy work too. I've done what might best be termed new agey energy manipulation, some Shaolin inspired projection, Toltec Sorcery assemblage point manipulation, Tai Chi/Chi Gung stuff- all contradictory and all successful.

Which is to say, the chakras are real, but no more or less so than any of those other frameworks. None of this is carved in stone, its more like the double slit experiment (and yes, I am aware that ideas from quantum physics are oft abused in our circles, but I mean this as a metaphor. Probably.).
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 04:47 PM

View PostMskied, on 11 October 2018 - 05:22 AM, said:

I think what happened is that, in occult terms, I initiated myself, and when my chakras were aligned, I had been given a clean slate to start my adult life of experience, from which I began experimenting and gathering my knowledge, which led me to forming my Will, which led me to my ritualistic declaration that led me to the higher grades of experience.

Do you suppose that you have you given any alternative explanations you're capable of conceiving due consideration?
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 04:47 PM

No I cant sorry





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