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#1 Sheperdess

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:36 AM


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 05:16 PM

Nope.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:06 AM

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:41 PM

View PostSheperdess, on 03 December 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:


The Popes theology is skewed here.His exegesis is based upon a misunderstanding of how the NT was constructed.Essentially the critical problem underpinning the whole NT is that the texts employ three Jesus characters making up the drama.

The first is Jesus who lived c,100 years before the birth of Jesus Christ.He was basically a warrior type Monk from the Essene community in Qumran.The second Jesus is Christ who was invented by Paul who fused the Judaic 'Son of Rigorousness of the Essene with the Hellenistic concepts of the Resurrected or Regenerative gods.Paul also drew upon Stoic Philosophy and injected the basic ethics of Stoic thought into his creation.

Although antithetical these first two Jesus' explain the apparent contradiction of Jesus in Matt.5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. against Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
The answer to this problem is that the firs saying comes from the Pauine Jesus,the latter from Qumran's Jesus.

The third Jesus features prominently in the Gospel narratives specifically in portraying Jesus as having had a normal human existence incarnate on Earth.This Jesus was the literary creation of Ignatius Bishop of Antioch.The construction was polemical and designed to combat what the early church deemed a highly dangerous movement.These were the Docetics who taught that Jesus after his Ascension was a spirit who could be worshipped without the intermediary of the church.Ignatios then set about creating the human Jesus inventing the flight into Egypt,Herods non-existent Census and every aspect where Jesus is shown to hold human attributes.

This fusion of three different Jesus' has come down to us today as the NT.Possibly one of those,as the Pope thinks,may be Satan.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:01 PM

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:05 PM

View PostSpida, on 04 December 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

I didn't watch the Video, and don't want to. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that here.
I thought you had duplicated it from the AOTL thread tats why I did not quote you here.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:34 PM

"Get behind me, me."

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:48 PM

View Postvives gladio, on 04 December 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

"Get behind me, me."
Ha! Excellent!

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:59 AM

View Postvioletstar, on 04 December 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

The Popes theology is skewed here.His exegesis is based upon a misunderstanding of how the NT was constructed.Essentially the critical problem underpinning the whole NT is that the texts employ three Jesus characters making up the drama.

The first is Jesus who lived c,100 years before the birth of Jesus Christ.He was basically a warrior type Monk from the Essene community in Qumran.The second Jesus is Christ who was invented by Paul who fused the Judaic 'Son of Rigorousness of the Essene with the Hellenistic concepts of the Resurrected or Regenerative gods.Paul also drew upon Stoic Philosophy and injected the basic ethics of Stoic thought into his creation.

Although antithetical these first two Jesus' explain the apparent contradiction of Jesus in Matt.5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. against Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
The answer to this problem is that the firs saying comes from the Pauine Jesus,the latter from Qumran's Jesus.

The third Jesus features prominently in the Gospel narratives specifically in portraying Jesus as having had a normal human existence incarnate on Earth.This Jesus was the literary creation of Ignatius Bishop of Antioch.The construction was polemical and designed to combat what the early church deemed a highly dangerous movement.These were the Docetics who taught that Jesus after his Ascension was a spirit who could be worshipped without the intermediary of the church.Ignatios then set about creating the human Jesus inventing the flight into Egypt,Herods non-existent Census and every aspect where Jesus is shown to hold human attributes.

This fusion of three different Jesus' has come down to us today as the NT.Possibly one of those,as the Pope thinks,may be Satan.
These 3 Jesus I can understand with Celtic people are say there were 3 plus they make 1 so for them it was past,present and the future,For the Christian it is Holy Trinity.Also this idea they take from the Celt?

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:46 PM

View PostSheperdess, on 06 December 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

These 3 Jesus I can understand with Celtic people are say there were 3 plus they make 1 so for them it was past,present and the future,For the Christian it is Holy Trinity.Also this idea they take from the Celt?
I doubt this.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 06:09 PM

Ok. Somewhere from this forum you say of Satan he is executioner for the Yahweh so this Angel of the Lord from other topic is killing people wit orders from God.I am thinking look,this Angel must be Satan so can he also be Jesus?

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:16 AM

Hmm..that is a very astute observation and one which,for once,I will have to come back to.I think I need to get more expert and specialised advice on this,

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