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#1 starfox

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 04:51 PM

ostensible difference from the lotus aside, is there a major difference between the lotus and rainbow wand in regards to effectiveness?
i wonder the same thing about elemental tools; does the air dagger, chalice, etc have to be painted GD style? if i selected tools that werent decorated in such a manner would they not be as "good" for GD rituals? im a terrible painter and artisan when it comes to building things.

after practicing witchcraft i wanted to explore other areas of magick. the rituals ive found in ceremonial magick appeal to me most so far and i love the spiritual development aspect. additionally, ive had wondrous successes using it for practical magick with results more impressive than anything ive had before with other systems. im not sure if theres a thread dedicated to successes on this forum. i did search for one but didnt find anything for it.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:45 PM

The Key of Solomon, in many variations, has both a staff and a wand. The Lotus or Rainbow Wand is the staff of the lesser adept, the Phoenix Wand of seven colors is the staff of the greater adept, and the Hermes Wand of three colors is the staff of the exempt adept.

Having failed the initiatory trials of the Adept Major, I never got a Phoenix Wand and so cannot speak much about it, and nothing from experience. My Lotus Wand is painted wood with its lotus closed, modeled after the wands of Westcott and Yeats.

Whereas the wand represents an elemental power that the magician employs, the staff represents the power of the magician. As if GD magic requires any more, it is as much a badge of office as anything practical. This sort of tool is really only relevant within the overall GD structure.

It's not necessary to use paint. In fact, despite being a decent painter, I hate paint as a media for magic. It was probably cool a hundred years ago when the GD was exploring the "new modern," but now I think it looks cheap. My pentacle is brass, my dagger is steel, my chalice is silver, and my wand is copper and gold. The sigils and names are engraved on them. I didn't make them that way because they need to be done that way, but because that is the GD way and I was exploring that system at the time. I still see it as the most efficient system for practical magic, much more than anything from the grimoires.

There are two main drawbacks to the GD system. The first is the organization itself, which I would advise staying as far away from as possible. The second is the core doctrine, which is literally put together by a handful of shady British people about 100 years ago and represents a hodge-podge of half-baked new age fluff all dressed up like a mystery cult. There's a lot of practical material, but you have to do your own thinking and spend a lot of time working with the system on a daily basis to discover it.



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:45 PM

i guess my question re: the wands is: is the lotus really necessary? i dont know how id ever construct such a thing with any kind of material lol. i have a wand with a crystal on top that ive used for a long time. im assuming it wont be effective since it lacks the colored bands during rituals that ask for the lotus/rainbow wand to be held at a certain color. (i know what the colors represent)

i like your advice that its not necessary to paint or model elemental tools to look exactly like the GD counterparts.

re: the GD organization. funny you mention this cos i had looked at some sites, one specifically, about potentially joining (not something im really considering at the moment, was just curious) and the vibe i got was akin to a late night infomercial. i wasnt necessarily turned off by this but that "join now in order to get rich!" feeling kinda made me think like it was trying to attract an audience i wouldnt expect would be interested.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

If a couple of colored bands or a wooden flower are what keeps a person from magical power, there is a disconnect. I hear the same thing from people about lion skin belts and linen robes. Those are components of a specific system, not the essentials of magic. IIRC, Regardie even suggests making the whole thing out of paper! The process of enchantment, and subsequent usage, are what dofferentiates a Lotus Wand from a Pride Day band leader stick.

Isn't the current head of the Golden Dawn a tour guide in France? I guess that is a step up from Mathers, who lent his support to the initiation of the First World War and who died for having done so.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:31 PM

View Poststarfox, on 15 November 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

i guess my question re: the wands is: is the lotus really necessary?

No.

View Poststarfox, on 15 November 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

i have a wand with a crystal on top that ive used for a long time. im assuming it wont be effective since it lacks the colored bands during rituals that ask for the lotus/rainbow wand to be held at a certain color. (i know what the colors represent).

You assume it won't be effective for what, exactly? Try to be more specific than, "GD stuff."
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:37 PM

View PostR. Eugene Laughlin, on 15 November 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

You assume it won't be effective for what, exactly? Try to be more specific than, "GD stuff."

i meant for anything that calls for a lotus/rainbow wands use. as far as "GD stuff": again i meant anything that calls for that specific wands use which as far as i know that type of wand isnt used anywhere other than golden dawn rituals. however, im probably wrong and im ok with that! what do i know. im a former particle physics research scientist and my brain likes to "shut up and calculate" but i found that career totally boring and dogmatic. dont want to change the direction of creating this thread but wanted to add since im on the physics topic: i strongly suspect, as do many other physicists, that much of quantum mechanics is directly influenced by our (sub)conscious. this is magick and that influence brings about change on the newtonian or macroscopic level. again, im probably wrong and im ok with that! offhand i cant think of a way to test this and i suspect that trying would cause attempts to fail, somewhat akin to a collapse in wave function and observation. though if i sat down and really tried im sure i could think of some kind of differential equation. nah

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:44 PM

View Poststarfox, on 15 November 2017 - 10:37 PM, said:

i meant for anything that calls for a lotus/rainbow wands use. as far as "GD stuff": again i meant anything that calls for that specific wands use which as far as i know that type of wand isnt used anywhere other than golden dawn rituals. however, im probably wrong and im ok with that! what do i know. im a former particle physics research scientist and my brain likes to "shut up and calculate" but i found that career totally boring and dogmatic.

I'll try again. I want to know what you think that wand is used for. I'm looking for a list of applications.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:55 PM

View PostR. Eugene Laughlin, on 15 November 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

I'll try again. I want to know what you think that wand is used for. I'm looking for a list of applications.

the first one that comes to mind is charging talismans with the lotus/rainbow wand

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:19 AM

That's a very short list.

My general feeling is that if you don't know what a wand is for, you probably don't need one.

There is a different way to think about it. If that style of wand looks cool and seeing one makes you want one, that's reason enough to make or get one. In that case, it doesn't matter what other people do with them. You can do anything you like with it.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:31 AM

i know what its used for and what is channeled through one. i dont find the look of the lotus wand with/without the flower particularly appealing but i understand the sometimes importance of symbolism. i guess my question was if the lotus was really a necessary component and you answered this for me. thank you for that i appreciate it !

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:32 AM

View Poststarfox, on 16 November 2017 - 12:31 AM, said:

i know what its used for and what is channeled through one. i dont find the look of the lotus wand with/without the flower particularly appealing but i understand the sometimes importance of symbolism. i guess my question was if the lotus was really a necessary component and you answered this for me. thank you for that i appreciate it !

Ah, well, now I want to know: are you going to get/make one?
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 07:13 PM

im going try my best to create a rainbow wand. i walked into an art supply shop yesterday and bought the appropriate paint. a friend gave me something i can use as the wand itself. if the end result is crappy... welp idk! at least i tried

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 02:13 AM

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:46 AM

oh wow , thats awesome ! superb





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