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#1 Sheperdess

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:47 PM


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#2 Lazarus Benedict

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:11 PM

An interesting little video. Many of these title I've heard of, a few were new to me.

That being said, a question came into my mind. I wondered what drew people to these kinds of books? What are they looking for? I mean, if you look at the price of many of these books, you'll notice they're not giving them away, far from it. Yet for these books to be published, it means there's a market for them.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:51 PM

View PostLazarus Benedict, on 14 November 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

I wondered what drew people to these kinds of books?

If these were printed in paperback with no illustrations and no creepy cover art, no one would ever care to even open them.

Mass market paperback occultism introduced so many people to magic that it became a whole subculture unto itself. I don't see these books as having that kind of effect, and I wonder how many people actually use them for something other than decoration.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 08:10 PM

Most of those are complete New Age rubbish aimed at a gullible market that assumes the format will make them a collectors item worth investing in.History shows you will have a hard job to re-sell them and in some cases you will be stuck with an expensive door stop.

The Black Toad is particularly funny as its not even a modern Grimoire but a collection of English folklore gathered together from tourist type books.A friend loaned me a copy and I quickly de-constructed it showing the source material to be similar to what one could find in local sea-side resort bookshop.It also had some of the crappiest illustrations with the 'sinister' Man in Black looking like an American FBI agent from the 1930s.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:32 PM

While I tend to agree with Violetstar's above post, they are nice to look at.

Seriously though, I must personally vouch for Palo Mayombe: The Garden of Blood and Bones by Nicholaj de Mattos Frisvold.
New age rubbish it is not IMO.

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 07:07 PM

The black toad does not have an illustration of a sinister black man in it...so don't know what book your talking about but your wrong. I wouldn't call it a "dark occult book" either. If its the type of witchcraft you like working its a useful book to draw inspiration from.

Also what tourist type book would those be? If they are like the black toad they might be an interesting read.


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 12:17 AM

View PostPheonixAlpha, on 26 November 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

The black toad does not have an illustration of a sinister black man in it...so don't know what book your talking about but your wrong. I wouldn't call it a "dark occult book" either. If its the type of witchcraft you like working its a useful book to draw inspiration from.

Also what tourist type book would those be? If they are like the black toad they might be an interesting read.
Yes you are right.The illustration was in The Devils Dozen.I got confused with another of the crappy illustrations that frequent her books.

Please do not misquote me.I said Man in Black not black man.Big difference.I found nothing in Garys books that could not be sourced from the booklets aimed at tourists to the West Country.Many of these small booklets were published by Tor Press in the 1970s covering all aspects of folklore from witches to charms and old cures.An example is below.

The rest of Garys idea of witchcraft was drawn from the Cornish folklorist William Paynter(example below)and from the late Michael Howard who was a personal friend of mine.He co-authored with Gary and wrote extensively on the West Country lore.The big problem here was that Mike was not a Witch but a Wiccan who had limited knowledge of the old form of witchcraft.Paynter was a romantic and many of his witchcraft tales were almost certainly fictitious. Particularly funny is the whole idea of a Cornish past paganism that New Age authors have invented,Cornwall is an overtly Christian region with no evidence of any belief other than Christian aside from the usual rural superstitions.

The Black Toad is not a Grimoire neither does it represent any known form of witchcraft.It is rather a collection of folklores,charms and cures more akin to the Cunning Folk-who were also not witches but their adversaries.

I am content to leave it here.

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Here is the 'Man in Black' from Devils Dozen and similar looking FBI agents from the Black Toad:

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