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#1 violetstar

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 07:48 PM

In reading the work of Sumerian expert Samuel Kramer,I came across a people who are said to have taught the Sumerians agriculture.Termed proto-Euphrateans by archaeologists,these people are also named after the area-Al Ubaid where remnants of their civilisation have been unearthed.

They are unusual in that goddess serpent figures are not generally shown with offspring which then connect them with maternity.Most serpent goddesses are depicted holding snakes rather than nurturing them.

The Ubaid example also has a male counterpart which suggests these figures may represent either a god and goddess or a more earthly family unit.

Of the artefacts the Ubaidic statues modelled on strange reptilian like creatures are a mystery.Thought of by Icke as part of some Illuminati government,many people believe they represent an alien race that came to earth.Any thoughts?





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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:02 PM

I am reminded of Tiamat, Mother (of monsters). She who is a great sea serpent associated with primal chaos, but also an ancestor of mankind. Maybe this Goddess is Tiamat's inspiration? Or it could just be a cultural thing. Maybe they aren't meant to represent serpent people but just people.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:19 PM

I remembered this description of Tiamat and the creation myth.
http://www.pantheon....s/t/tiamat.html

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"In the creation epic Enuma elish, written around 2000 BCE, their descendants started to irritate Tiamat and Apsu so they decided to kill their offspring. Ea discovered their plans and he managed to kill Apsu while the latter was asleep. Tiamat flew into a rage when she learned about Apsu's death and wanted to avenge her husband. She created an army of monstrous creatures, which was to be led by her new consort Kingu, who is also her son. Eventually, Tiamat was defeated by the young god Marduk, who was born in the deep freshwater sea.
Marduk cleaved her body in half, and from the upper half he created the sky and from the lower half he made the earth. From her water came forth the clouds and her tears became the source of the Tigris and the Euphratus. Kingu also perished, and from his blood Marduk created the first humans.

"The Deep" (Hebrew tehom) at the beginning of Genesis derives from Tiamat."

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:12 PM

And going right along with that, any time I hear of a war in heaven I immediately think of cultural assimilation at sword-point.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 08:28 AM

Tiamat and the male figure as Apsu is a great answer.The problem is that the Epic was written nearly two thousand years after the disappearance of the Ubaid civilization c.3800 BCE.

An idea that supports the Tiamat theory is that the story may have been based on Ubaidic mythology perhaps recorded on tablets that have been lost or destroyed.

My current opinion is that the descriptive 'Lizard' tends to incite thoughts of aliens due to Icke.I do not believe these statues represent extra-terrestrial visitors though there is equally no evidence to disprove they were.We know these statues were very important to the Ubaid and they may represent people,perhaps stylised depictions of themselves.

Another option supporting that may be that the figures are dressed in some form of ceremonial or religious clothing and that they are masked to represent a deity.On saying that the latter is unlikely as the offspring is also masked and I am unaware of any other example showing this.
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Posted 28 July 2017 - 03:06 PM

Another interesting thing that I noticed was that the female figure's loincloth thing resembles the archaic Sumerian logograph for woman. It is easy enough to chalk that up to plain female anatomy, but wouldn't it be interesting if Sumerian wasn't the language isolate we think of it as today. Ah, the joys and headaches of speculating on prehistoric languages.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 03:34 PM

This might not be so far away.I have a feeling these statues may have a similar function to the more modern Corn Dollies.

As you mentioned Sumerian here is the ultimate guide-again free!

http://www.bulgari-i...ctionary_12.pdf
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:22 PM

Well I guess the idea of Lizards are deep rooted in peoples minds.I just found this news story from the UK.

A family were scared when they found what seemed to be some form of rare Lizard under a bed in their home.They called out the animal rescue..who approached it with caution.Turned out it was a dirty stripey sock!!

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:52 AM

View Postvioletstar, on 27 July 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

In reading the work of Sumerian expert Samuel Kramer,I came across a people who are said to have taught the Sumerians agriculture.Termed proto-Euphrateans by archaeologists,these people are also named after the area-Al Ubaid where remnants of their civilisation have been unearthed.

They are unusual in that goddess serpent figures are not generally shown with offspring which then connect them with maternity.Most serpent goddesses are depicted holding snakes rather than nurturing them.

The Ubaid example also has a male counterpart which suggests these figures may represent either a god and goddess or a more earthly family unit.

Of the artefacts the Ubaidic statues modelled on strange reptilian like creatures are a mystery.Thought of by Icke as part of some Illuminati government,many people believe they represent an alien race that came to earth.Any thoughts?





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This may have been resolved with the somewhat convincing suggestion they are 'Barley People'

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:24 PM

That did sound like a very reasonable explanation.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:06 AM

View Postwren, on 12 October 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

That did sound like a very reasonable explanation.
Thanks for the feedback.I received some feedback from an archaeologist who said:
"The available archaeological evidence strongly suggests malt barley,ale and wine was consumed in vast quantities by the Ubaid folk.The bulk of the population were agricultural labourers, farmers and seasonal pastoralists employed in the cultivation of cereal crops so the idea of the figures representing barley seems to fit."

As that comes from a profession that tends to be set in it ways,it does add extra weight to the idea.
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Posted Yesterday, 01:36 PM

Also, the strange eyes resemble steamed grains, now that I am thinking about them.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:34 PM

View Postwren, on 18 October 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Also, the strange eyes resemble steamed grains, now that I am thinking about them.
You have to be psychic! The farmer guy also mentioned that but I did not think it relevant.Now you remark on it I will edit the article to include that.Thanks.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:21 PM

View Postvioletstar, on 18 October 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:


You have to be psychic! The farmer guy also mentioned that but I did not think it relevant.Now you remark on it I will edit the article to include that.Thanks.
Sure; I do think it strengthens the case for grain dolls. Serpents' eyes tend to be stylized with the vertical pupil, while these figures just have a horizontal dash. It should have been within the sculptors' capability to make a vertical pupil eye, but that they chose the barley like eye makes me think it was intentional.

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Posted Today, 08:24 AM

That is a good observation.I had already added your previous as a postscript so again I need to take this too.Thanks!
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Posted Today, 12:31 PM

View Postvioletstar, on 27 July 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Of the artefacts the Ubaidic statues modelled on strange reptilian like creatures are a mystery.Thought of by Icke as part of some Illuminati government,many people believe they represent an alien race that came to earth.Any thoughts?

I believe it's possible they existed, but if so don't believe they were capable of interstellar travel. Instead they would have been natural inhabitants of Earth that became extinct like other forms of life here through the ages, e.g. the Dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Many of which had Reptilian features, and walked upright. The Reptoids/Reptilians are a bit of a stretch from that but conceivable. From the posted images they do appear somewhat intelligent.

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Posted Today, 01:04 PM

The 'Reptilian' theory surrounding these figures now remains only in the David Icke type schools of thought.Of course if you subscribe to that then fine.

I do not see the figures as looking intelligent but if anything the reverse!
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Posted Today, 01:18 PM

View Postvioletstar, on 19 October 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I do not see the figures as looking intelligent but if anything the reverse!

Well, not intelligent as in the likes of Einstein or Tesla...Violet, but as far as Lizards go. Perhaps that will be more agreeable.

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Posted Today, 01:45 PM

The big problem with the 'Lizard' theory is that there were no species in the Ubaid area that fit the eye structure of these figures.As Wren points out the figures have a horizontal aspect. https://www.inatural...eck-List?page=1

In my opinion and the growing number of people who also feel these are depictions of 'Barley People' as the farmer termed them the case is closed.For some the 'mystery' of the figures will always be just that.
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Posted Today, 04:27 PM

So for the "growing number", the mystery of the Lizard People has finally been solved. Turns out they were actually Barley People. Good Work!

Edited by Spida, Today, 04:34 PM.






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