Experience With African Dream Root?
Posted 29 October 2015 - 07:22 PM
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Posted 30 October 2015 - 08:11 PM
Posted 30 October 2015 - 11:29 PM
It may be that the tradition expectations for the substance are based more on the magick and ritual around its use than on its physical pharmacology. If so, it's quite possible that the traditional rituals upon which the expectations are based are lost or too obscured to recover. There may yet be viable options for people trained in common modern magick forms. For one example, a consecration ceremony for activating a talisman might be adapted to activate the magick properties of the herb. Another alternative might be to evoke the spirit of the herb using somewhat Goetic methods, and asking (or ordering if that's your way) it to do its job.
One might be thinking at this point that if it's going to take all that kind of effort to make the herb work, why not skip the herb and just make a visual dream sigil, or evoke the spirit of dreams, etc. My default response to that kind of thinking is that working with the herb in this manner might be more effective for some magicians than a visual sigil, etc.
Posted 03 November 2015 - 02:41 AM
Posted 07 November 2015 - 03:16 PM
What I remember about the dream mostly was that a man dressed all in white appeared and he was wearing a white top hat. He showed up and asked me various questions that I don't remember now. It was more vivid than a normal dream, but at the time I wasn't involved in spiritism the way that I am now, so I did not think that much of it in terms of spirit contact. I just thought that the dream root was beginning to work. I was more interested in the pharmacological aspects of plants and not what Eugene talked about earlier in this thread.
I kept taking the root for a while, but nothing else like that happened, so I assumed that it was not a pharmacologically useful plant.
Posted 14 November 2015 - 08:04 PM
For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great.... you have no power over me.
Posted 16 November 2015 - 04:18 AM
The following is pretty much a cliche but mugwort works wonders, especially the first few times you take it. Tolerance does seem to dim its effects somewhat, but the dreams never the less possess a more 'solid' quality about them. I've recently taken a route that you may be interested in taking and that's making a tincture of the stuff--whether mugwort or dream root. My recent experiences with the former have proved most promising and I would recommend that avenue for any person looking to increase dream clarity/lucidity (tincture usage doesn't preclude REL's suggestions which I believe when used in tandem, will augment the effects of what ever herb you decide to tincture-ize).
Cheers and Be Well
Edited by SilentSeeker, 16 November 2015 - 04:19 AM.
“The fish trap exists because of the fish. Once you've gotten the fish you can forget the trap. The rabbit snare exists because of the rabbit. Once you've gotten the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words exist because of meaning. Once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?”
The Tao gives rise to all forms, yet it has no form of its own.
If you attempt to fix a picture to it in your mind, you will lose it.
This is like pinning a butterfly: the husk is captured, but the flying is lost.
Why not be content with simply experiencing it?
--Attributed to Lao-tzu
Posted 16 November 2015 - 03:52 PM
Research taking these facts into account is beginning to suggest that even for drugs with well-known actions and well-established, measurable physiological effects (agents used to treat blood pressure, heart rate, blood viscosity, blood sugar and so on), even those drugs depend somewhat on the ritual of medical treatment. Some findings demonstrate that the drugs don't appear to work as well when the elements of medical ritual are substantially altered.
Here's the money shot:
It's reasonable to consider that taking a novel drug with the expectations of pharmacological effects but absent the ritual attending mainstream medical treatment may reduce the pharmcodyamic potential of the drug once taken. From that it's further reasonable to consider that drugs with low pharmacodynamic impact to begin with might have no impact at all when taken outside of the standard medical context.
To complete the picture, we might also consider the rituals accompanying illicit drug seeking and drug taking, the rituals attending older or alternative healing methods, and the rituals attending modern magick operations.The common ground of ritual in general is its target: the internal state (expectations, tuned attention, hopes, fears, etc.) of the treated individual. My feeling is that the effectiveness of X (drug use as an example but I feel this is a more general principle with wide-reaching implications) is somewhat tied to the congruence of the intention of X and the attending ritual.
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