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Posted 10 February 2015 - 05:44 AM
To be honest, I've actually become more and more reluctant to talk openly about subjects such as this one in recent years unless I get an indication of who I'm talking to and why they want to know it. So what is it exactly you want to discuss about the Qliphoth and why do you think it's an important topic to break open?
Posted 10 February 2015 - 03:13 PM
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Posted 10 February 2015 - 05:15 PM
None of these "spirits" or "entities" are Qliphothic. The Qliphoth are shells; mere recordings; data. One way to try and grasp the concept of the Qliphoth is to playfully look at it from the perspective of the trans-mundane intelligences that inhabit the other worlds we all claim to be accessing when we perform acts of magick. For them the realm of the Qliphoth is more like a wardrobe where they dig around for the proper attire to make themselves presentable to us. This is why I say that our working with the Qliphoth is unavoidable; it is the medium by which we interact with any of these trans-mundane intelligences. You can classify these entities in any ways you want but even those classifications are drawn from how they resonate with certain Qliphothic frequencies. There are no inherently Qliphothic intelligences.
I hope that is clear. I've attempted to explain this in several ways in various discussions throughout the forums over the years and I never feel I do it justice. Using this particular model is difficult because "qliphoth" has such misunderstood baggage attached to it that one has to get past in order to engage it more properly. Magicians who think of it as negative energies or somehow demonic are only doing themselves a disservice in my opinion.
There is also a reason why there is a more direct emphasis on the Qliphoth in our present time. You could say that we live in an era where the masks have become more evident. I came upon this revelation several years ago and I mentioned it HERE but no one seemed interested. The new alignments I mention there are why the energies associated with Yesod and Da'ath resonate so strongly in our current time.
Posted 10 February 2015 - 06:44 PM
Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:01 PM
I think this line of reasoning is my fault. The Lucky Hoodoo spirits are referenced as being Qliphothic in nature in several of my posts and a the term is linked to the spirits throughout much of the non-Bertiaux literature. These sources, often present the VGW as part of a left Handed dark path influenced by negative forces from the Qliphoth One work goes a little deeper channeling Regardie in calling the tree the evil twins or the dark tree of life.
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Big mountain, wide river
There's an ancient pull
These tree trunks, these stream beds
Leave our bellies full
They sing out I am going to stand my ground
You rise to me and I'll blow you down
I am going to stand my ground
You rise to me and I'll blow you down
Posted 11 February 2015 - 02:53 AM
Either CC or Morrigan had mentioned in one of the VGW threads that having a powerful entity on your side helps and I can agree. Regular theurgical work or working with a particular God or Goddess can enrich, direct, and make easier the experience of working with the Qlippoth. This kind of work exists in all traditions in some form or another as far as I understand. I had picked up an interest in demon feeding from Qaexl here and felt like I was lacking context so I started attending a Vajrayana group. The first empowerment offered was Chod oddly enough, the traditional form of demon feeding. I prefer it because you have the help of dakinis, yidams, and lamas on your side. Seeing the full scope of the tradition and learning the basics of that system made for a richer experience. Particularly since Qlippothic work wasn't what I needed at the time or now. I got a message from the root lama that I should wait a year before continuing the practice. So it's important to know if you need Qlippothic work or if the way you are approaching it fits you.
Everyone has their individual needs that may or may not require Qlippothic work at the time. How you approach the Qlippoth may differ as well. You can tackle them head on or you can let them come in their season. I think working with the Qlippoth should be part of a more full spiritual context. I also don't think I completely understand this kind of work yet, so I'm keeping an open mind and would like to learn about them from multiple perspectives in various traditions.
For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great.... you have no power over me.
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