Within The Abyss?
Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:57 PM
If we're generous, we might say that most people apply such labels to themselves because they experienced something personally significant, a revelation, change in perspective, etc. The rest, I readily assume, use the terms to make themselves out as accomplished within the community.
The community on the whole is way too accepting of vague and sloppy language in my opinion. Some personal experiences can't be properly described in language, but that's not a good reason to apply catchall terms like these. Their use leads to more misunderstanding than clarity.
Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:28 PM
To be honest, I was trying to make plain an experience that is often glossed over with half-understood metaphors. For example, Crowley refers to one who has taken the "Oath of the Abyss" as a "Babe of the Abyss" (both code words for an aspirant who has presumably done the degree work up to Exempt Adept and decided to step into the "abyss" experience consciously) and you may notice that I stated that the experience puts one in a state close to infancy (a state of "imprint vulnerability"). In that sense "Babe of the Abyss" can be taken somewhat literally. The experience, even though potentially earth shattering, is actually a little more down to earth than occultists would like to have it. I guess for you that would be "boring" though.
If you really want to get at an understanding of this experience I suggest looking further into what "imprint vulnerability" means and implies (and what actions put one there) as well as looking into the various stages (or trials) in the making of the "future shaman" (see Mircea Eliade's interpretations of the subject).
Well agreeing in theory yes and i would of assumed that me agreeing with magiawen had linked that it was easily understandable that i pertained to your idea aswell, geuss not so let me clarify, IF the description that you have given is "correct" (along with what? 3 others have said) then i have already experienced this "crossing" multiple times and now i have learned to enter the "abyss" consciously which is now really really boring and leaves little left to gain now, this why i refuse to believe it to be the abyss and yes maybe i am focused on the "unimportant" off the lhp i can honestly admit this because of the reason behind the fixation, i get results and over the last 6 months i have yet to see my techniques fail me so whats left?? I have concreted my space of death i dont wish to unbecome or start all over, i want to have fun and fighting devouring and burning is what i call fun, the abyss MY abyss is that fun.
It is what it is.
Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:52 PM
Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:12 PM
For nearly 20 years I meditated on and studied that which has no name, but is absolute, infinite, beyond both small and large. Finally one day I realized the limits of my sentient consciousness. It has all power over whether we are it or dual. There is no choice of the nondual, for choice is dual. Just be, live, do what you will, with love and wisdom. As Hermes said, in a time yet unborn, all shall be one, and one shall be all. True enlightenment has nothing to do with attainment. It's an inner peace, that there is nothing to be done, I call it surrender to the Spirit.
Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:12 PM
Posted 24 June 2014 - 12:13 AM
I mean, to have one without the other seems as though it really isnt one ( or zero ) that is beijg regarded. I mean, when in abyss.. there is a clear sight and vision of of the three neg. layers... or is there a diff. term for that?
Posted 24 June 2014 - 12:39 AM
Edited by Nalyd Khezr Bey, 24 June 2014 - 12:41 AM.
Posted 25 June 2014 - 03:45 AM
Nalyd that would be wrong while you continue to insult me, a few topics on here have discussed and come to the conclusion , in which i agree whole heartedly, EVERYTHING had conciousness in one form or another the simpel act of thinking of nothing gives it substancr, the true definition of nothing is the form of everything being one and being a human living breathing eating still has conciouness granted it is the mosy subtle secret and quiet that is here.Not to mention if the said person has multiple spirits with ties to the core of the persons soul those being in a way become that person but out side of there existence.
R.Eugene Laughlin that is inevitable seeing as there are no set rules and standards for this hidden practice, and try as you might bringing it into the scientific community will only ever progress as we gain technology to obtain quantified results.
Pertaining to the tree of life zob theory would come into play, just being there.
It is what it is.
Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:57 AM
Edited by sen, 11 July 2014 - 04:10 AM.
i love being god; it's my favourite hobby
Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:55 AM
That's just Saskatchewan.
Posted 04 March 2016 - 06:13 PM
It was reported even some have lacked momentum after the 6=5 grade in the early days of the Golden Dawn.
There is Crowleys Testament in the Vision and the Voice..
But admitingly the prose is even still difficult for me to attach myself too.
All we can do is determine from our own experiences and draw our own conclusions.
For a few years now I have been in a rut. Everything is against me in some fashion.
And being non egotistical in all things I can’t turn it. My words no longer bring about the diplomatic results of external conflicts. Maybe I no longer can enchant specific relationships for betterment of all not like before. But the knotting is tight.
Maybe you know you to get through it, but maybe what is needed for resolve seems a bit egotistical...maybe you have been so afraid of being egotistical that the your whole universe is turned upside down on you, and maybe you need to do something for yourself.
I keep myself calm and centered.
I was once hollowed out before but the outside has gotten to the inside, that barrier is no longer present, maybe the fight for the Abyss is to gain that again. To once again feel that energy flow through your body again, to connected to that current because you are hopelessly lost without it...
Even in Crowley teachings that the end result is to be reunited with the HGA.
Maybe it is a long term Chakra blockage, because you’re missing a piece to bring balance to everything internal.
Edited by Barrackubus, 04 March 2016 - 06:19 PM.
Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole law....
28) Every man has a right to fulfil his own will without being afraid that it may interfere with that of others; for if he is in his proper place, it is t he fault of others if they interfere with him.
Posted 21 September 2016 - 04:01 AM
I dreamed once that I walked up to a beautiful blue river and realised that it was the River Styx. There's some kind of idea this is at the bottom of the abyss, though there is also the idea that the abyss is bottomless. I walked along the bank and after a little way it divided into two branches, of which one branch had crowds of people on the river banks and the other was nearly deserted and wound up through beautiful woodlands. I was thinking of them as Hell and Heaven and started to follow the Heaven branch through the woodlands, but then I felt an impulse to dive into the river and swim. It was icy cold and the cold went right through me, so after a bit I was forced to get out.
This is an archetypical depiction of the river of enlightenment above it is the rainbow river of life flowing from a blue stream and becoming multicoloured and warm, below it is cold and black and inky the River of Death , the River Styx. In Shamballah, the teaching plane of higher realms there is a temporally stable construct of the River upon which all manner of temples and portals abound. The underground River of Death is biforcated into two branches as you describe. The one seems dark and foreboding and hidden. On this fork there are three islands upon these the mystic can meet the avatars and heal their souls and their "selves" with attunements, and esoteric wisdoms. In contrast , the bright golden city allures travellers to its coast on the other branch and like the adage all that glitters is not gold , that is a place of the Hels. Some spirits are mired there like Pinocchios in a land of revelry or King Midas's who think that might be paradise. It is an illusion which traps the errant spirits.
Last year I came across several Pagan ladies on another forum who all said they had crossed the abyss. I didn't want to be rude to them by saying no you haven't, but they sounded like ordinary people and I thought crossing the abyss was enlightenment.
The abyss is fallen into in the Dark Night of the Soul , that is part of the passage. Soaked in one's own failings , one can and must crawl out again and hopefully emerge on the other shore . But it is not a once and over journey nor does it mean death of the physical to descend. Instead it is like cleaning out the garage and the basement. The house of our body can not ascend in vibration without these 'spring cleans for the May Queen'.
"Stairway To Heaven"
There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.
There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.
In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings,
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it makes me wonder.
There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who stand looking.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.
And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
Then the piper will lead us to reason.
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
And the forests will echo with laughter.
If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a spring clean for the May queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder.
Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know,
The piper's calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.
And she's buying a stairway to heaven.
~ Led Zeppelin.
Posted 02 April 2017 - 12:08 AM
If you look at it another way. You have Kether the Primordial Point, which is the Singularity before the Big Bang. The initial expansion of the Universe occurred at super luminal speed. Continues to this day, but I believe has slowed some. This has created unfathomable distances from the original expansion point, which could be thought of as the Divine Source. Rendering it unreachable by any physical means. The untraversable Abyss. Space and Time rendering Divinity unreachable and unknowable. Of course there is a Spiritual approach.
I've said before that crossing the Abyss has partly to do with understanding that reason has been transcended and only truth remains.
So beyond Kether you have the Light which arose from negative existence. Something from nothing. This light is God, the ambiguous. God came from nothing. So would not be eternal in a contiguous sense, but in an infinitely periodic sense. The mind of God would not occupy space, but the Light of it's mind would be limitless, ergo the limitless light. Now there is a reflection to this in the Microcosm. It works the same way when we dream. Our dreams don't occupy four dimensional space, but there is the illusion of space in which to act out our dreams. The mind of Man being a Microcosm to the mind of God. As above so below.
Seems like if this were the case, space and matter would be illusions and would only exist as some sort of Divine thought process.
I suppose truth isn't the only thing that remains once reason has been transcended, there is also insanity!
Edited by Spida, 02 April 2017 - 12:11 AM.
Posted 02 April 2017 - 04:57 PM
These archetypal Gender manifestations are also obscured by a massive portion of the Abyss, they are to be quite Divine indeed!
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