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Carlos Castaneda Is Still Alive!


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#1 TheCusp

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 04:34 AM

What if, after 25 years of being labeled a fraud, Castaneda decided to fake his own death to get out of the spotlight, taking his FIVE best witches with him? Seriously, everything about the story of his death is suspect.

Fist, a brief timeline

1960 - Castaneda begins his apprenticeship
1968 - Publishes Teachings of Don Juan (covering 1960 to 1965)
1971 - Publishes A Separate Reality (covering 1968 to 1970)
1972 - Publishes A Journey to Ixtlan (covering 1960 to 1971)
1973 - Disappears from public view and form his own group, dedicating himself fully.
1998 - Dies at the age of 72

He wrote around 12 books in total before his death, but I mention those fist three because he didn't begin to understand what he was being taught until the third book. His first two books are worthless, which is why he went over the same time period again in his third book that he had already covered in his first two. . Took him 12 years to actually begin to get it. So by 1998, that give him about 26 years as a practicing magician. He was only part timing it before and really didn't have a clue.

By 1973, he had an army of debunkers who had practically dedicated their lives to ruining him. It's no wonder he bowed out of the public eye. But what if by 1998, the blossoming internet was making it harder to maintain his anonymity? What's a seasoned sorcerer to do? I think faking your own death is a perfectly valid option.

Quoting from this site, The Dark Legacy of Carlos Castaneda: http://www.salon.com...4/12/castaneda/

The Missing Witches

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At the heart of Castaneda’s movement was a group of intensely devoted women, all of whom were or had been his lovers. They were known as the witches, and two of them, Florinda Donner-Grau and Taisha Abelar, vanished the day after Castaneda’s death, along with Cleargreen president Amalia Marquez and Tensegrity instructor Kylie Lundahl. A few weeks later, Patricia Partin, Castaneda’s adopted daughter as well as his lover, also disappeared. In February 2006, a skeleton found in Death Valley, Calif., was identified through DNA analysis as Partin’s.

The story is all five of these fierce women are supposed to have committed suicide. Even the DNA confirmation would be no big feat for someone determined to fake their own death, especially for a sorceress. Who did this supposed DNA confirmation anyways? Even if she did die, there's still 4 more suicides. Most people fail at killing themselves, the odds that all 5 of them could pull it off, there's just no way.

The Illness

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In the summer of 1997, he was diagnosed with liver cancer. Because sorcerers weren’t supposed to get sick, his illness remained a tightly guarded secret. While the witches desperately pursued traditional and alternative treatments, the workshops continued as if nothing was wrong (although Castaneda often wasn’t there). One of the witches, Abelar, flew to Florida to inspect yachts. Geuter, in notes taken at the time, wondered, “Why are they buying a boat? … Maybe Carlos wants to leave with his group, and disappear unnoticed in the wide-open oceans.”

Sounds to me like they concocted this life ending illness right around they same time they started planning their getaway.

The Bodies

There are none.

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In April 1998, Geuter filmed the inner circle packing up the house. The next week, at age 72, Castaneda died. He was cremated at the Culver City mortuary. No one knows what became of his ashes. Within days, Donner-Grau, Abelar, Partin, Lundahl and Marquez had their phones disconnected and vanished. A few weeks later, Partin’s red Ford Escort was found abandoned in Death Valley’s Panamint Dunes.

Not only are there no bodies, but they spent an entire week packing just before his death? Come on!


Sure, 72 is a ripe old age to die at, but not necessarily for someone who's dedicated their life to magic. He had every reason to want to disappear, and he certainly had the means. The entire story about his death is weak as hell with absolutely no evidence to support it. I think he could still be alive somewhere!

Edited by TheCusp, 16 February 2014 - 05:32 AM.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 06:46 PM

Dude, you could argue he finished his task and became a ball of light flying off into an abyss. All UFO sightings in the Sonoran desert now explained. Now he's switched genders in a dream world and on the run from inorganic beings because the predatory universe is out for his essence. I wonder if he is hot. Probably not. It's his(her) awareness that counts. I don't know if my theory would win me on of Don Genaro's farts, but it seems more fun to think that coming up with Tensegrity an Cleargreen were really acts of "not doing". I only say that because I blame Carlos for a spate of neck problems - I should have just stuck with plain old Tai Chi.
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Posted 18 February 2014 - 02:03 AM

Really? You actually did the magical passes? Where did you learn? They weren't really giving that info away without extorting lots of money for their seminars.
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Posted 18 February 2014 - 06:44 PM

I got the book? ISBN 0-06-017584-2 (pbk.), Harper Perennial 1999.
First I found it (along with everything up to Tales of Power) in the base library while I was stationed at good ol' Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Japan and Xeroxed all the pics and pertinent instructions. "Grinding a kernel of energy" actually helped with my run time during my physical fitness test, but a lot of that stuff was just too foo-foo for me. I think I am more of mushroom smoker type, but that was from when CC referred to his art as "sorcery" instead of "shamanism". Really, I think all that stuff is superfluous ($$$) with regards to the philosophy of "nagualism", but you could say the same thing about a lot of movements.
It's funny that I keep hearing people tell me about "The Four Agreements" as some wow-this-is-the-shit revelation, but none of them ever heard of CC.
I think someone is being impeccable beyond the grave...
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#5 MRcephlapod

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:28 PM

Wow! Castaneda is where it all started for me but I was given like 9 of the books all at once, and I've never researched his life, outside of his own books.

I really didn't even realize he was controversial.

Also it's interesting the person who gave the books to me was also using them during his time in the military... Small world I guess

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 12:56 AM

I've never heard of this guy but am leery of anyone who has concubines and fanatical followers.
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 03:29 AM

View PostThe Stalking Hyena, on 18 February 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

It's funny that I keep hearing people tell me about "The Four Agreements" as some wow-this-is-the-shit revelation, but none of them ever heard of CC.

I find it funny how many people use looking at their hands as a reality check not knowing it originated with CC.

View PostDominicus, on 19 February 2014 - 12:56 AM, said:

am leery of anyone who has concubines

I'm cool with it as long as he shares.

Any magical practice is going to be misrepresented once skeptics or the press get ahold of it.
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Posted 24 October 2014 - 06:42 PM

Certain aspect of Castaneda's chronicle that's rarely witnessed outside the halls of academia is the truly fanatical hatred that many professional scientists of comparative religion direct towards CC. In essence, Castaneda is in their opinion an archetype of a researcher-gone-native-and-fraudulent, a true betrayer of their "ideals" of "scientific research of cultural phenomena". Some of them go so far as to claim that ol'Carlos and his manson-girls would've been up to sacrificing little children and brainwashing their cultists to be Castanedas submissive sextoys.

But what if CC is alive? What does it change? Where is he now? He would be quite old already, but I'm not saying that he would be incapable of lenghtening his lifespan by magick, so it doesn't really count.





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