Atridr, on 04 December 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:
I don't know that much about dream control, but in general there exists a definite difference between the power and ability of real magicians vs. people who just study magick and other occult phenomena. Castaneda explains this difference quite well in the "Second Ring of Power". What Castaneda calls "becoming a formless warrior" is in my opinion just another word for the death of ego. And after the ego dies, quite a lot of power is released for magical purposes.
In practice, the difference between those who have become formless and those who haven't is akin to a difference between gods and mortals. Human magicians may wield power, but formless beings are pure power.
Can't argue that. Still not sure about permanent ego death, but attention is power, and most of our attention is being used by the ego, which is made up of mostly useless archetypal structures, or forms.
I wouldn't say these dream walkers are formless. Forms are the way the interact. I attack them by throwing a form at them. If that form catches their attention, their attention conforms to the shape of that though tform, the shape of the archetype. You could say they display formlessness in their seeming invulnerability, since they are able to avert their attention from coming to rest on that structure.
They use forms in return, and they are super effective against those of us who are not used to resisting them. One of them would always assume the role of an interrogator/torturer, which is brilliant because people are conditioned to submit to authority figures.
z0b, on 04 December 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:
Yes there are lots of more skilled people and beings then you cusp hell I even get dream walked and you no even with me allowing people in to try they risk death by heart attack or worse.Many are just waiting to see who will be worth bothering with or influencing for there agendas or who is likely to in the future cause them trouble and then stomp them out.
They don't seem poised to teach, but neither do the seem intent on harm. I'm sure they could cause real harm if they so choose.
RoseRed, on 04 December 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:
The OP in that thread didn't assume it was a human he was attacking. He also jumped into a knee-jerk attack.
Why the assumption that whatever was unaffected by his attempts grew bored? It floated up, hung out and observed the rest of the dream. That doesn't sound like boredom. As far as attention - even after he stopped paying attention the thing remained and continued to observe.
You're assuming that it was a human better skilled at lucid dreaming because you had a similar interaction. That's a dangerous assumption especially when combined with such certainty about another persons dream.
He didn't assume it was, but I am 100% certain it was. It got bored with the futile attacks after showing off. That vanity plus the very human wandering of attention is unmistakable. The non-human things never waiver.
“Come in close. Closer. Because the more you think you see, the easier it’ll be to fool you. Because what is seeing? You’re looking, but what you’re really doing is filtering, interpreting, searching for meaning. My job? To take that most precious of gifts you give me, your attention, and use it against you.” - Now You See Me