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#1 spirit infinity

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 06:28 PM

Fluoride: Hydro-fluoro-salicic-acid is a chemical waste byproducts of the industrial phosphate fertilizer manufacturing industry; and sodium fluoride is a chemical waste byproduct of industrial aluminum smelting.

Fluorine is different than fluoride; what they don’t want us to know: Naturally occurring fluorine is much safer than fluoride, as fluoride is not a naturally occurring chemical. Fluoride is harmful, unnatural byproduct of aluminum manufacturing, of which process derives a similar but different molecular chemical than naturally occurring fluorine. Simply put, fluoride is the negative ion form of fluoride. The molecular structure of any substance that has been tainted by the negative fluoride ion, whether it is organic of inorganic, becomes a fluoride constituent: Such chemical compounds as calcium fluoride and sodium fluoride. None of the elements listed in the alchemical periodic table in which fluoride is listed are stable chemicals, save the noble gases. Unstable elements naturally react with other unstable elements in order to molecularly stabilize themselves.

Fluoride has an extra electron bond in which fluorine does not have! In industrial manufacturing, metal variants react with fluorine, thus transforming its molecular structure into fluoride. Fluorine has 9 electrons and 9 protons, whereas, fluoride has 10 electrons and 9 protons. Due to this slight but crucial molecular electron alteration, the halogen fluoride has different chemical properties than fluorine has.

Yes, it is the industrial chemical-waste byproduct version of fluoride, and not naturally occurring fluorine, that is added to *public water supplies, *salts, *tooth-pastes and *some antidepressants like Celexa and Prozac. True, fluoride possibly strengthens one’s teeth & bones and is well known as being a very the effective antibacterial agent, but what about the repressed studies which expose fluoride as being a poison? Strangely, fluoride was the main active ingredient in many old time rat poisons during the 1800s. Nazi Hitler fluoridated his concentration camp water supplies because it was said to cause docility and lethargy in human beings; do you really think that Hitler gave a damn about the health of his prisoners’ teeth? More over, ranchers provide their cattle with fluoridated feed and water in order to “prevent stampeding.” Farmers utilize fluoridated pesticides because fluoride is, of course, an effective poison for exterminating pests. The FDA recently passed a law in which exemplifies Certified Organic farmers from using fluoridated containing pesticides, claiming that the fluoride content therein is inert! Many organic produce consumers are willing to pay more of their hard earned money for the guarantee that they may enjoy pesticide and fluoride free fruits and vegetables. Its bad enough that the organic crops are being watered with fluoridated water.

fluoride is also a very effective antibacterial agent, too. The environmental protection agency has deemed that industrial fluoride waste byproducts are much too toxic to expose op in landfills, as enforced by National laws. Likewise, international law forbids corporations from exposing of their fluoride waste by dumping it into the ocean. Yet perplexingly, people accept the idea of adding the very same fluoride waste chemicals to their drinking water, drugs, salt and dental care products.

So, if water fluoridation is not viewed as the intentional “poisoning” of the masses, then is it not the perpetuated “medication” of the masses without their consent? Fluoridating the public water supplies under the premise of promoting healthy teeth is just as ludicrous as adding Ibuprofen to public water supplies, under the pretense of preventing headaches! Antidepressants are certainly classified as “drugs,” and merely every “drug” known to humankind can be poisonous or even fatal if taken in high enough doses, especially when considering that the man-made “drug” known as“fluoride” has a cumulative affect within the soft tissues throughout the human body, similarly to arsenic. Wake up people! Oh, and fluoride even causes sterility.

“Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century.” – Robert Carlton, Ph.D, former EPA scientist, 1992. Research the industrialist [Interessen Gemeinschaft Farben] conspiracy of the1920s & early 1930s: “I.G. Farben aluminum manufacturing” and its toxic fluoride byproduct.

“They’re trying to mess up your DNA.” – David Icke.

Fluoride & the pineal gland: the pineal gland absorbs more fluoride than the rest of brain, or any of the other soft tissues within the human body. Not only does this poison cause general brain damage and IQ reduction, fluoride also calcifies and interrupts the pineal and pituitary bodies,
adversely inhibiting crucial bio-chemical synthesis functions therewith. Fluoride disrupts the endocrine system as well as the thyroid gland. Adscript, consuming chlorinated water and bleached food products, such as processed white flour or white sugar, also contributes to pineal gland calcification. Speaking of pineal and pituitary damage, fluoride is contained in about 25 % of all popularly used tranquilizers, as it is often identified as being one of the most potent “anti-psychotics” known to humankind. Atypically, anti-psychotics close the third-eye doorway.

Serotonin & melatonin suppression as caused by fluoride: Melatonin is an extremely important bio-chemical that is procured by the pineal gland, thus promoting sleep and a balanced equilibrium.
According to Dr. Mercola, sponsor of the Fluoride Action Network, when melatonin production and other pineal gland related bio-chemical synthesis are suppressed, potential health problems may result: Causing such adverse conditions as bipolar disorder, insomnia, circadian dysregulation, hormone imbalances, lower back pain & even Alzeimer’s disease!

Research conducted by Dr. Jennifer Luke of England, from the University of Surrey, strongly indicates that fluoride has a cumulative effect within the pineal gland, as well as within other soft tissues throughout the body. Dr. Luke’s researchers concluded that in adults the soft tissue of the pineal gland absorbs more fluoride than any other soft tissue within the human body.

Her research determined that cumulative fluoride assimilation within the pineal gland causes the inhibition of at least one of the four essential enzymes which are required to convert the amino acid tryptophan into serotonin. Dr. Luke: “In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty.”


MAO’s: Most processed foods contain MAO enzymes. MAOs, or mano-amine oxidase chemicals, impede melatonin synthesis by converting or rendering serotonin into an inactive byproduct. Moreover, harmoline and pinoline are two chemicals produced by the pineal gland in which counteract the inhibitory affects of MAO chemicals. Taking serotonin and melatonin supplements is said to be beneficial for counteracting the unfortunate side-effects of MAO chemicals. As a general rule, mano-amine-oxidase inhibitors greatly enhance the effects of Tryptophan, Serotonin, melatonin and DMT. A healthy functioning pineal gland produces certain enzymes which serve to the elimination of free radicals and MAOs.

fluoxetine hydrochloride is the active ingredient in Prozac, which contains about 94 % fluoride. Prozac was specifically designed to inhibit the synthesis of important bio-chemicals like serotonin, which is the precursor to melatonin. Prozac is advertised as a serotonin re-uptake “inhibitor.” Some antidepressants contain chlorine related compounds, which of course damage the pineal gland and pituitary body. Yet the majority of pharmaceutical antidepressants contain the harmful halogen known as “bromide”, which also causes adverse side effects within the pineal gland and pituitary body. If serotonin precursor enzymes are inhibited, genetic damage, immune system suppression and tissue damage are more likely to occur throughout the body.

PROZAC: Each Pulvule® contains fluoxetine hydrochloride equivalent to 10 mg. Prozac, scientific name Fluoxetine, is 94% fluoride. RX List internet drug – “This drug may make you dizzy or drowsy. Do not drive, use machinery, or do any activity that requires alertness. PROZAC (fluoxetine hcl) ® (fluoxetine capsules, USP) is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor for oral administration.” – http://www.rxlist.com/prozac-drug.htm -

“WARNING - SUICIDALITY AND ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS:
Antidepressants increased the risk compared to placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children, adolescents, and young adults in short-term studies of Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders.”


The pineal gland and the 4 halogens: TThere are four primary “halogens” in which the pineal gland absorbs: Fluorine-like compounds, chlorine, bromine and iodine. All four of these halogens are assimilated by the same bodily receptors, but the body can only utilize a single halogen element of them at once. The halogen of the greatest abundance will prevent the other 3 halogens elements from being assimilated by the human body. Iodine is the most desirable of the 3 halogens, as chlorine, fluoride and bromide are harmfully toxic to human physiology. Of course, iodine can be toxic in high enough dosages. The consumption of adequate quantities of iodine is effective for detoxifying the pineal gland from fluoride and the other two evil halogens. As mentioned above, pertinent scientific research indicates that the pineal gland copiously absorbs more fluoride than any other soft tissue within the brain and body; and that the pituitary body and thyroid are also notably susceptible to the accumulative effects of fluoride damage.

The crucial bio-chemical precursors in which the pineal gland produces:

1. Amino acid phenylalanine is the bio-chemical precursor for phenethylamine and tyrosin.
2. Phenethylamine is the precursor to tryptophan, it increases amino acid tryptophan production, which acts as a neurotransmitter throughout the brain; pineal gland stimulation raisies bio-chemical phenethylamine and dopamine levels.
3. Tryptophan is an amino-acid bio-chemical precursor for tryptamine, a mild psychedelic.
Tryptophan is also a bio-chemical precursor for serotonin. Vitamin B-6 is necessary for the bio-chemical synthesis of serotonin, and its production is stimulated by sun light.
4. Serotonin is the bio-chemical precursor of melatonin, which synthesis is stimulated by darkness.


“Because it possesses the highest levels of the necessary enzymes and precursors, the pineal gland is the most reasonable place for DMT formation to occur.” – Excerpt from –DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences,” by Rick Strassman.

Fluoride is a very likely exacerbates the mechanisms within the brain that seal the third-eye seal, thus over-amplifying the mind-spirit grounding effects of the brain? ; Which maybe yet another reason as to why fluoride has been so widely administered to the masses? After all, if fluoride has anti-psychotropic attributes, then the masses are being administered heavy dosages of “a third-eye closing conspiracy drug!”

Methods for procuring fluoride-free drinking water: All natural black mica is very efficient for neutralizing fluoride, toxic halogens and bacteria from polluted water supplies, essentially restoring water it to its natural state of purity. Consuming a tamarind tree leaf tea or extract made flushes fluoride from the body. Green sea weed and natural rock salt naturally contain iodine, which detoxifies the body of the 3 harmful halogens: Bromide, chlorine & fluoride. Wheat grass and other high chlorophyll containing plants are also effective cleansers.

Boron from Borax is a powerful detoxifying agent, but it should be taken in very small quantities because it can be potentially harmful to the body in higher dosages; so be extremely careful and research this data before employing it. Distilling water is probably the most effective means for totally separating fluoride from one’s drinking water. Warning: Do not trust store bottled distilled water because the FDA passed a law that permits water bottling/ jugging companies to add non-distilled water to water that is labeled as distilled, thus demanding only a percentage of distilled water. Water chemical diagnostics tests have indicated that many jugged distilled waters contain fluoride. Either produce your own distilled water of jug your own spring water from a direct source. Distilled water can actually be reconstituted by adding minerals or vitamins to it, such as msm or rock salt. Consuming small quantities of real gold and or silver in clean water solutions are also said improve third-eye health and IQ, as well as boost immune system functions. Many varieties of medicinal mushrooms will purify the body of toxins, fight against cancer and heal brain and or nervous system damage.

Reverse osmosis filtration systems strip the minerals from your drinking water, yet these over-rated filters fail to purge the fluoride content therein; thus eliminating only a very minimal percentage of the fluoride. This is because fluoride ionizes as it bonds to the molecular structure of H2O, thus it freely passes through reverse osmosis and standard carbon filters as uninhibited.
Would you like to have a glass of dead, poisoned water? Drink up!

If you think that you are purchasing a totally organic products like canned soup or bottled organic fruit juice, then you should seriously reconsider this notion on the basis that “any processed product that contains water”, whether it is labeled as containing filtered water or not, most likely contains some amount of fluoride. This is simply because the majority of all American water supplies are fluoridated across the Nation, and most process foods and bottled beverages are produced in urban areas in which receive fluoridated water.

Did you know that aluminum is actually listed on the same dangerous metals chart as lead and mercury? And isn’t it interesting that both aluminum and fluoride arguably cause brain damage; and that sodium fluoride is a chemical waste byproduct of aluminum smelting?

Aluminum compounds have been linked to causing Alzheimer’s disease. Aluminum additives are commonly used in processed foods as anti-caking & leavening agents, as food starch modifiers, and as preservatives in a variety of different processed food substances; e.g. such as cake batter mixes, brownie mixes, jiffy muffin mixes, baking power, flour tortillas, and in some cheeses.
– “Symptoms of aluminum toxicity include memory loss, learning difficulty, loss of coordination, disorientation, mental confusion, colic, heartburn, flatulence, and headaches.” – LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION (2006).

Why fluoride is effective according to the ADA: In 2012, the ADA or American Dental Association stated ten reasons as to why the Nation should fluoridate its water supply:

1. Single most effective public health measure to prevent tooth decay.
2. Prevents dental disease.
3. Similar to fortifying other foods and beverages.
4. Protects all ages against cavities.
5. Safe and effective.
6. Saves money.
7. Recognized by more than one-hundred organizations.
8. Availability of fluoridation continues to grow.
9. Endorsed by the American Dental Association.
10. Natural fluoride is already present in all water sources, even the oceans.

The ADA is WRONG: “Fluorine” is already present in many water sources, not the industrial waste product known as “fluoride”; and the ADA also claims that fluoride is “already present” in all water sources, but naturally occurring fluorine is not “naturally present” in all oceans and water sources; research this, the ADA is wrong! Anyway, who knows just how much “unnaturally occurring” toxic fluoride waste that the corporate industrial monopolies have “already” polluted our natural water supplies and oceans with!? And the ADA claims that fluoride is safe?? – Erroneously untrue! Claims 5 & 10 are furtively surreptitious, being desultory inconsistencies which indicate either blatant lies or conspicuous errors!

Dr. Hardy Limeback, biochemist and professor of dentistry at the University of Toronto - DDS, PhD, is head of the Department of Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto: http://www.fluoridea...icles/limeback/

“Why I am now officially opposed to adding fluoride to drinking water.” – Dr. Hardy Limeback.

“The major reasons for the general decline of tooth decay worldwide, both in non fluoridated and fluoridated areas, is the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste,” – Dr. Hardy Limeback.

“What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means (after the teeth erupt and come in contact with fluorides in the oral cavity). Fluoride does not need to be swallowed to be effective.” – Dr. Hardy Limeback.

“Hydrofluorosilicic acid is recovered from the smokestack scrubbers during the production of phosphate fertilizer and sold to most of the major cities in North America, which use this industrial grade source of fluoride to fluoridate drinking water, rather than the more expensive pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride salt. Fluorosilicates have never been tested for safety in humans.”
– Dr. Hardy Limeback


“A lifetime of excessive fluoride ingestion will undoubtedly have detrimental effects on a number of biological systems in the body and it is illogical to assume that tooth enamel is the only tissue affected by low daily doses of fluoride ingestion. Fluoride activates G-protein and a number of cascade reactions in the cell. At high concentrations it is both mitogenic and genotoxic. Some published studies point to fluoride’s interference with the reproductive system, the pineal gland and thyroid function. Fluoride is a proven carcinogen in humans exposed to high industrial levels.”
– Dr. Hardy Limeback.

“In order that the physical waking consciousness should include astral consciousness it is necessary that the pituitary body should be further evolved, and that the fourth spirillae in the atoms should be perfected” – Theosophist, Arthur Powell.

My rhetorically expletive question for Master Powell: If the pituitary body must be further developed for accessing metaphysical or spiritual advancements, then how is it that we going to accomplish this through meditation alone when the world government alumni are intentionally destroying our furtively poisoning our pituitary bodies and pineal glands with aluminum, aspartame, fluoride and other harmful chemicals?! What if such damage cannot be fully healed or reversed? Then what? Our industrialized corporate masters who seek to suppress the third-eye consciousness of the general populace have thus left us no other alternative other than to intentionally forcibly crack-open the ethereal force-center cob-web and the psychic third-eye shield!

“Just say no to fluoride and all pharmaceutical drugs, chemically treated water, processed foods & GMO’s; thusly, under the strict pretenses of your spiritual and religious freedoms!” –
After all, it is a “vibration war”; as “they” have waged spiritual warfare against us! People, it is time to “fight back” by exercising your most inherent God given “spiritual rights!” –

“Embrace spiritually inspired civil disobedience!”

If you believe that the one’s who control the American and international banking systems and major corporations and industries are the SAME characters who – buy off politicians, moderate the media and essentially control the American government; and if you believe that the aforementioned power structures are “perhaps” dictated by “cultists” who reign at the pinnacle of this pyramid paradigm, then discerning the possible agenda behind their desultory, illogical madness “might” begin to clarify… Since WW2, why is it that THEY have been furtively promoting third-eye or pituitary body damaging chemicals such as FLUORIDE to such a drastic scale? ; Yet, on the flipped side of the very same COIN, these very same authorities have surreptitiously outlawed third-eye opening or pituitary body stimulating fungi and plants! Furthermore, in my opinion, those elitist entities have literally driven a wedge between the shaman and the people; and hence between the people and Mother Earth! Why is that? Where is the logic in that? Oh, that's right: They are clandestine Black Mass practitioners, or so it is rumored. Thusly, if this speculation is even remotely true, then WHAT is it that they are worshipping? ; And, here is an even better question: HOW are their crimes against humanity SERVING whatever it is that they are worshipping? Are they serving or worshipping something demonic in nature?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:16 PM

This is seriously coming from the guy who wants to switch bodies with another. It's a type of black magic in itself unless you're Franz Bardon who came for Divine Providence. You also read things written by David Icke? That guy is the dumbest person ever! A conspiracy theorist in which none of his theories are true! He knows nothing and is ignorant in himself!

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:33 PM

Who knows if there exists a "deity" to reflect all their ill dealings. But it really doesn't matter as much as how we are able to diagnose them. If you notice, the eight rayed sun motif is pretty much at the heart of these cults, both ancient and modern. The motif goes back as far as ancient Babylon, and is transmogrified into the modern Union Jack and of course Constantine's "under this sign...." crest. Looks like a cross with diagonal swords, but it's merely an eight rayed star.

Of course, the eight rayed star of the sun relates to creation. The Zygote will divide into 8 cells before coming back into one. So here's the diagnosis I propose in relation to these... cults: They have no respect for nature, no reverance for Truth, and the utilize the truth in so far as they can pervert it.

Further, the way in which these groups control us is first and foremost through psychology. You can't merely invent a chaotic system of any sort and thrust onto the people. Instead you have to hover around the truth, so closely that ordinary people will miss entirely the perversion in the midst of truth-sounding rhetoric. Even if a politician gets up on his soapbox and speaks 90% truth, that 10% of lie can be crippling. Just look at the way universities are packaging marxism to students. They point out all the truthful reasons why capitalism fails, even in very sophisticated ways, and then use that "truth" to prop up the proletariat agenda. But they never mention who is funding both sides. If the rich can't be trusted, what makes the proletariats so trustworthy? No one even questions that!

It's what isn't seen that constitutes their ability to take advantage of entire populations. It would be impossible for them to do so on brute force alone. These types are cowards, who want nothing to do with getting their own hands dirty. If they couldn't convince us to fight amongst ourselves, they'd be powerless. Their power is dependant on our power, therefore any deity they worship ought to be aligned to Cercei the succubus, in my opinion, who reigns in the stead of Perseponie (sophia). Cercei, who drugs the kings and prelates in the world and feminizes them. Why do you think Socrates warned his students of the 'feminizing of the masculine'? Why is that considered normal nowadays??

Why were the plantagonist invaders of Briton propping up kings that looked like paupers? Can the average person name even ONE of the Anglo Kings that preceeded William the Conquerer?? Why should 'man' be more like a 'women'? Why are good men laughed at, dimunized on television? Why is the 'hero' always a psychopath? It's all script. 'spelling' words, sentences and ideologies. It's psycho-sorcery at its root. Everything else - flouride, chemtrails, illegal waste dumping, etc. are secondary phenomena born of mass psychosis.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:51 PM

Wow! Well said, The Bard! What an impressive response, indeed!

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:52 PM

GM12, drink some more fluoride!

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:25 PM

My water goes through reverse osmosis. I have a machine myself. I also decalcify with omega 3 fish oil as recommended by Robert Bruce.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

The fluoride problem is real and is a fact not a theory there have been numerous studies done as to the harm it does.Many of the findings show it causes cancer,lowers IQ and makes you sterile.The water they sell for babies and infants contain 10 times the amount they put in most public water supplies.Most filtering systems do not filter it out.

Edited by z0b, 25 September 2013 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:20 PM

I know that. He just quoted David Icke. That is why I have said I use reverse osmosis to filter my water and I decalcify my pineal gland with fish oil. Even worse is water contains arsenic. I do water tests when I first got my water filter because I wanted to see if it really did take out fluoride like Robert Bruce said. He was right.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 10:56 PM

The soft kill programs are the main reason there's a so called heath care explosion globally but since they make money treating you for what there doing and all the way around.It's really bad the food is worse now then the water we need people to know for one thing for the second the answer would have to be the masses demanding strict food and water purity laws with real penalties for breaking them but unfortunately I don't see it happening at least not any time soon

Edited by z0b, 25 September 2013 - 10:57 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:03 PM

It's like they are slowly killing us or they are effectively using everyday things to dumb us down. Maybe I just might move to Alaska and make myself pure fresh water.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:26 PM

Reverse osmosis doesn't eliminate all of the fluoride contamination from your water. Find another means to either acquire or detoxify your water other than using reverse osmosis, because the fluoride has an accumulative effect within the body. One should instead distill her or his as opposed to filtering it via reverse osmosis. Your distilled water can be reconstituted with minerals. By the way, don't purchase bottled distilled water from grocery stores because chances are that it is not 100% distilled water. Check out the new FDA laws with regards to selling bottled distilled water.

Edited by spirit infinity, 25 September 2013 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:29 PM

My 800 water tests tell me something different. Just because you read something doesn't mean it's true. I don't buy any water at all.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:17 AM

Your 800 tests for what?

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:33 AM

Testing the water when I filter it. I check it always before I drink it. 800 is approximate.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:29 AM

There's no fluoride in the water here, and the people do not appear to be noticeably longer-lived, smarter, or otherwise superior to their equivalents elsewhere. Despite your several pages of ranting, in the real world I haven't seen any reason to connect a lack of fluoride with better health, more creativity, etc.

My old home town banned fluoride in the water last year. If you live in one of those places where they do use fluoride, and you think it might harm you, move to the ~20% of the country that doesn't.

Edited by Imperial Arts, 26 September 2013 - 01:37 AM.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:38 AM

I don't live in a fluoridated area, but one can expose themselves to fluoride inadvertently by simply purchasing a bottle of fruit juice that has added "filtered water" to it, considering that it was produced in an area that receives fluoridated water. we haven't even covered the issue concerning fluoridated pesticides being sprayed on fruit and vegetable crops.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:40 AM

GMAN, there isn't a single reverse osmosis water filtration system on the market that removes 100% of the fluoride from one's water. I think that your testing methods are off. Where is your PROOF?

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:42 AM

GMAN, you said "My 800 water tests tell me something different."

I don't believe you. PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR WATER TESTS TELL YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Prove it! You can't prove to me that you aren't lying about your tests. All you have is your word on this message board, so you can't prove anything that you say, GMAN.

The way that you demanded proof, OVER A MESSAGE BOARD, in regards to delineating a personal experience that had inspired me to futher explore "a specific area of paranormal research", was merely a petty attempt at winning an argument on your behalf. I can tell you that I have had out of body experiences over the years, besides experiencing other supernatural phenomena; but you have the choice to either believe me or not. To demand PROOF that I am telling you the truth in regards to my ascertions of having had out of body experiences throughout the years - IS QUITE PETTY of you. I know within my heart that I am telling you the truth, but this does not mean that I can prove this to you - anymore than I can prove to you that I had tossed a silver coin into a lake four years ago. I really did win against your censorship.

GMAN, you never answered my question: Where is your proof?

Edited by spirit infinity, 26 September 2013 - 02:13 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:55 AM

I'll show you my proof when you show me your proof of a single test of success with switching bodies. You never have had experience and never will with that ego of yours.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:26 AM

You obviously disagree with the Authors who I quoted to you. GMAN calls them liars for supporting vehicle transference. I, too, have written of my own experience with this phenomenon. How can I vindicate anymore proof to you then they can? Or ANY other Occult Author, with regards to different spiritual phenomena? You are prejadiced in your bias. Many people have read about my personal account with the aformentioned phenomenon.

You simply don't believe me, and I really don't care as much as you think that I do. Regardless of how much PROOF I provide you with, besides what I have personally written, you will automatically attempt to discredit me due to you intolerant bias. You asked for others' accounts besides my own; and I provided just a few quotes from Authors besides myself; and their beliefs in vehicle transference were not enough for you. Despite that I have also written about this subject, but my words and my "proof" will never be enough to satisfy your spite. You must be calling us all liars. Don't attempt to alienate me as if I am the only one out there making such a claim. I am telling the truth. I have written my own formulas on how to accomplish this. I won against you.

Again, where is your proof, GMAN?

This is over.

Edited by spirit infinity, 26 September 2013 - 02:30 AM.






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