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[marsovka]

I casted my first spell from New avatar power , i feel energised for 5 straight hours , got this weird feeling like a waves passing through you one after another. I dont know if is a sign that it will work or sign do something .
Opinions?

[mrblack]

NAP is one of those "talismanic" grimoires that initiates you into its' current. I think
that's the 5 hours of "weird" energy you were feeling.

Peoples opinion differ in this but following the book, you should do some sort
of divination to check if your spell is working.

[Issit]

Do the ritual and forget all about it.
Do not try to see if it works.

It would be like pulling out a seed out of the ground to see if it grows.

[R. Eugene Laughlin]

It's not unusual to feel unusual after doing magick, of any sort. I find the best thing to do is have a little something to eat.

[O. Delano]

Issit, on 11 August 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Do the ritual and forget all about it.
Do not try to see if it works.

It would be like pulling out a seed out of the ground to see if it grows.

I staunchly disagree. Instead, after doing the spell, don't obsess over it. Don't go out of your way to look for signs that it's working. Omens will likely comes, but don't read into everything. And DEFINITELY don't do multiple divinations to see if the spell is working. I know it may be hard to do so, but it can be done.

[Shadow-Gnostikoi]

Issit, on 11 August 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Do the ritual and forget all about it.
Do not try to see if it works.

It would be like pulling out a seed out of the ground to see if it grows.

O. Delano, on 14 August 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

I staunchly disagree. Instead, after doing the spell, don't obsess over it. Don't go out of your way to look for signs that it's working. Omens will likely comes, but don't read into everything. And DEFINITELY don't do multiple divinations to see if the spell is working. I know it may be hard to do so, but it can be done.

What you guys are saying doesn't seem so far apart.

[Minmo]

Shadow-Gnostikoi, on 14 August 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

What you guys are saying doesn't seem so far apart.

That is what I was thinking.

I think I have broken these rules about forgetting about the spell and not doing a divination about it. However I have seen results from it even if I think about it, personally. Would the spell be more effective if one tries not to think about it? What is the reasoning behind this? Is it for that we do not have confirmation bias or is it because the constant thought VS doubt weakens the spell itself?

[Whispers]

The forget about it rule is a lame attempt to avoid the lust for result.
The whole idea is to avoid anxiety, to prevent that the caster becomes obsessed and eventually wrecks whatever he was doing.
So by all means think about what you did, perform a divination if you feel the need, but don't overdo it. Don't think about it the whole day and don't perform 100 divinations.
Keep Cool.

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

What these guys are actually trying to say is that you should keep your perceptions tuned into what you attempted to do (i.e. pay attention) but in a detached, "does not matter, need not be" fashion.

[Shadow-Gnostikoi]

To be able to do that, does one not need good vipassana?

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

Shadow-Gnostikoi, on 15 August 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

To be able to do that, does one not need good vipassana?

If one had "good vipassana" there would be no need to cast a spell in the first place.

[Shadow-Gnostikoi]

Why is that?

[R. Eugene Laughlin]

Nalyd Khezr Bey, on 15 August 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

If one had "good vipassana" there would be no need to cast a spell in the first place.

Shadow-Gnostikoi, on 15 August 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Why is that?

I imagine that would be tied to the belief that what people tend to do spells for amounts to tail chasing, more or less. I mean, what does one need to change when one "sees reality?"

[Shadow-Gnostikoi]

You can "see reality" and still be broke as f**k. I mean, no matter how enlightened, a man's gotta eat.

[Nalyd Khezr Bey]

Shadow-Gnostikoi, on 16 August 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

You can "see reality" and still be broke as f**k. I mean, no matter how enlightened, a man's gotta eat.

Opportunities present themselves around us all the time but very few seem to be observant enough to take advantage of them. A magician should be one of these very few. To some it looks as though a magician knows how to "make things happen" and performs miracles and to others he's just a charlatan/con man. A skilled magician knows one can't really make anything more happen than is happening already and "sees reality" (I don't like that phrase so I'll keep it in dubious quotes) as a big MAYBE. Magicians are rarely broke unless it's deliberate and they damn sure never go hungry. If you think you know one who is then perhaps you should feed them and give them a few hundred $$$..

[Shadow-Gnostikoi]

Okay I see.

[Barrackubus]

Cast the spell and forget about it. Those waves you feel go through you are excess
energy and need to be grounded, I usually pet my cat or do something mudane like
tap my marble window sill, just do whatever you think is best to move it through you.
But it is important part of your training to forget about the spell until fruition, which is usually about the time you remember casting it