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[HelloKitty]

What if each group had a sticky for beginners. I'm into Kabbalah type stuff/ Angelic Magic type stuff. And what if each forum had a recommended books sticky? Hopefully with Pros and Cons.

That's the way a beginner wouldn't have to keep asking over and over again, "Which books I should buy?"

Like for example, when you go to Ceremoial Magic , you would see a HUGE list of Recommended books on the Kabbalah or Enochian stuff.
Within the Abyss would have a huge list of books in Satanism, Luciferianism, and Goetia.

So, instead of people keep saying,"I'm a beginner, which books I could try." Instead the books could already be up. And you know, beginner friendly. Nothing too hard for a beginner to understand. Or a beginner doesn't have enough time or money for.

Also. Does this forum have an online Meet Up Place somewhere? It's nice to meet somebody on the same spiritual path as you. Who could help give you guidance, not in a patronizing way, btw. Much more like,"Try this book " Or "Try this " Also just for discussion. Like an online coven. Where people won't dismiss your ideas or shut you out. Where people could talk about their experiences. But not like a church, though. Because sometimes people become really busy. Which is kinda what I meant by "not shut you out." Sometimes, you get busy. Also, to not shut out people's ideas because they haven't been following a path equally as long. Like there is a difference between politely disagreeing, and "That's wrong" or "That's stupid."

For example, I strongly believe from experience that Samael is an Angel. and you could find material on the Angel Samael. I am not alone in this belief. There's a difference for not believing. But rudely going,"So, you believe a demon is an angel." That's being rude. I believe that Samael is an angel for no other reason than my own personal experience with him. and from experience, he really is an angel. It's a bit of a controversial topic, I guess. But time after time I have met people that if you believe something to be true, they would totally dismiss the idea. When just believe a person's belief is different from yours, doesn't automatically make them a stupid, idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about. I have worked with Samael before. From my experience working with him, he really is indeed an angel. He's even an angel in Judaism, too. All the Jewish text I find says he's an angel. It's like, you don't have to agree that a spirit is an angel, but unless you have worked with him yourself and asked him yourself. How could you dismiss another person for their beliefs? Also, I've switched paths. I know what demons are like for I tried to work with them without success. Each and every time I tried to work with a demon, they have bitten me in the ass and caused me a lot more problems. Demonaltry is something that REALLY didn't work for me. I just experience one failure after the next. And surely if Samael was a demon, the angels what I've been working with surely would've warned me about him about now. Sorry. Rant there. But I think it's important to not dismiss people's ideas just because they think differently than you. I don't agree with Goetia. But if somebody has an a pleasant experience working with them, than good for them. If they had a wonderful experience, than it is what it is.

So, I would think that a coven should be open minded with a non-judgmental attitude. Because it may be difficult to find a person who believe in exactly what you believe in. Unless you just want to be in charge and have a bunch of people go along with your ideas. But to me, there shouldn't be a leader, because I really hate the "I know everything" attitude, and I can't learn anything from anybody else. To me, there is no right way or wrong way. and I've been open minded enough to learn from different source i.e. Buddhism, Christianity, Wicca, etc. So, I prefer a coven that is open-minded an non-judgemental. Because if I could learn from people who practice Voudon/Voodoo, Buddhism, Christianity, Goetia. Then how hard could it be to be open minded to the ideas of a person who practices Angelic magic just like you who's believe isn't exactly like yours?

Sorry for the rant, it just really bugs me when I meet people, and my ideas are different from theirs. So automatically I'm an idiot that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Even though my experience suggest that I'm correct. and that person probably never worked with Samael a day in their lives. I think it is important to talk to people as if they are intelligent adults. and I think it's important not to be a know-it-all. and it's also important not to shove your ideas onto somebody else. Or to assume that you know everything about somebody, so therefore you have the perfect answer.

I guess you could say that I like people who are laid-back, friendly, easygoing, open-minded, a bit stoic.
I prefer no emotions over passionate people. From my experience, stoic, friendly, open-minded, laid-back people are easiest to talk to. Because they will never shove their ideas. If you think differently, they could really care less.

Edited by HelloKitty, 25 July 2012 - 10:02 AM.

[Minmo]

I like your idea here, HelloKitty! I too would like beginner books recommend in the sections and a section delegated to angelic topics..

Thankfully I haven't had a problem with meeting people (quite the opposite) but I can understand your frustration. Waiting to see how others chime in on this

Edited by Minmo, 25 July 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[HelloKitty]

Yeah. That's a frequently asked question. I started off with Wicca, switched to Goetia, and now I do Angelic Magic. I got results with White Magic and Wicca. But it wasn't very satisfying. Like I saw results in 3 months. and it just wasn't satisfying. I tried Goetia magic, and no matter what books I've tried. It backfired.

Me new to Wicca: Which books do you recommend
Me new to demonolatry: Which books do you recommend
Me new to this whole Anglic Magic thing, *lol* Actually I do have some good books that I like.
I enjoyed How To Hear Your Angels by Doreen Virtue and Angelic Magic for busy people by Cassandra Eason

I want to buy this book: Psychic Intelligence by the Psychic Twins. Angels are mentioned in the book. They talk about talking to G.A. to help them with psychic abilities.
I also want to buy Birth Angels by Terah Cox.

I don't know if the Wiccan Book of Angels is any good. But I am a solitary practionar. and they talk about summoning choirs of angels with the book. It needs to be something I could do alone. I was hoping for something more convenient to use. I HATE books which are all like. Buy 4 swords, 2 cups, and make an alter in each room of the house.

The BEST thing about How To Hear Your Angels, Angelic Magic, and Psychic Intelligence, is that it is PERFECT. I mean, it's quick. It only takes a few minutes. and you do get some results. It makes me want to work with even more angels. It's like I found exactly what I was looking for. Wicca I saw results in 3 months and while it was FUN to practice witchcraft for the first time. After a while, it gets tiring and unfulfilling. Because there are different traditions of Wicca. and none of those traditions felt right. At first, when practicing Angelic magic. I was BLOWN AWAY by the results. I received results in LESS THAN A WEEK. (Even though, Satan also gives desired results in less than a week, and NIGHTMARES to go along with the amazing results.)

But not only do Angels give fast results. They make you feel good about yourself. They improve your surroundings. You actually feel like they actually care about you. When working with Angels, you feel cared for. They will actually confort you and improve your situation. They're really looking out for you. It fulfilled something inside me and that is a connection to a spirit. You actually feel that there is a spirit out there that loves you and cares about you Do you know how happy that made me feel? They make me feel like spinning around the room dancing. Working with Angels feels GREAT. It's like I FINALLY found the right path that is meant for me. and this is something that I honestly feel like I could stick with. And I would just like to have a closer bond with my angels. I wish we could become closer together. It's hard to meditate. It's hard to stop thinking. Books suggest meditation, but I find that stop thinking is really hard. It's like I'm wasting time when I could be doing something more important. It would be nice if I knew what I could do to create a closer bond.

Because this is a frequently asked question that beginners ask ALL the time, if each forum made a sticky with a list of books to buy ranging from VERY EASY and as simple as it gets for notives. To things which are more difficult.

Angelic Magic is kinda weird. Because Catholic websites are very useful because they have prayers for Angels and Saints. So Catholic websites suddenly become your best friends.
It has Kabbalistic parts, like the 72 names of God of the Tree of Life relates to the Kabbalah. Enochians work with Angels. and even people in Hoodoo work with saints.

I've been into demonolatry for a LONG time, so when I was looking to switch paths. I heard about how powerful Hoodoo was. So, then I found the Lucky Mojo. and from what I read on the Lucky Mojo about how CRAZY FAST results are and how we could expect to see results in 2 weeks or less. I was amazed and got sucked it. Now, I realized that you don't have to do ALL THAT STUFF to work with angels. A pray could work.

So, I'm not interested in fancy rituals. I like the whole Keep It Simple approach.

It would be nice to meet a person who is easygoing, laid-back, and open-minded. I know that because of the qlippoth that some people believe that Samael is an demon.
But my first book on Angels was Angelic Magic by Cassandra Eason, and she says that Samael is an angel. From Aunt_Clair's experience, Samael is an angel. and there are material over the Net about Samael being an Angel. http://www.thehealin..._Of_Angels.html
http://www.archangel...gel_samael.html


And one website is dedicated to the idea: http://samaelaunweor...revelation.html
That website is entirely dedicated to Arch Angel Samael There is ALWAYS a consequence for working with demons. Satan could give you want you want in a week, but he'll also give you terrible nightmares, burns, and cuts. Demons LOVE to cut you. When working with Goetia spirits. I've received so many mysterous cuts. and they always twists what you want in a way that bites you in the ass. Samael is in no way, shape, or form a demon. I worked with demons long enough to know how they are. If Samael was a demon, I would've figured it out by now. The ONLY two Goetia spirits that had zero consequences were Malphas and Seere, and that's it. So, I would say that if you were working with a demon, you would know because demons pretty much refuse to help humans. and the only time they are willing to "help" you is when they plan on screwing you over big time. and by big time, I mean nightmares that could take 10 years off your life. Andras had me bitten. Samael is far too kind to be a demon. He is the angel that helps victims of bullying. Whenever you're being bullied, call on Samael and he'll remove the person from your life, and you'll never see them again. Even if you do, they'll be totally nice to you.


But when I read about some people's experiences with Angels, I want to be apart of it. When I hear people talk about being awake and having a funny conversation with Arch Angel Michael or talk about the sense of humors angels had. Or how when they were confused, how angels guided them to the right choices. It makes me go,"I want to experience that, too." Which is why I would thinking about buying the book Birth Angels by Terah Cox because it seems to be a cheap way to work with Angels. and well, for me, the cheapest and easiest way works best. I tried to do a "real" ritual. I found it terribly distracting. But when I do simple things like lighting candles or having a chit chat with spirits, I find that it works and faster, too. The simple approach always works best for me. It makes me want to fine-tune my soul. It makes me want to aim for a better connection. Hearing people talk about traveling in the Tree of Life and what they learned. It was just fascinating. Reading all of those fascinating stories makes me wish I had a fascinating story of my own. It would be SO AWESOME to ask for advice and hear an angel give you their opinion because then you know that you are getting advice for a spirit that genuinely care about you. It'll be nice to ask,"If I should take this career or that career?" "Date this guy or that guy?" or to get a clear warning about a situation. Or advice on the things that I should avoid. Reading all of those interesting experiences has gotten me all excited. Reading all of those interesting experiences has filled me up with so much excitment. Words could not express how excited I am. Well, except for the Japanese word "doki doki." (Doki doki is a Japanese expression. It's when your heart is jumping around with excitement.) I really want to reach out and become closer to angels. The idea of becoming closer to beings that really care about me makes me feel all doki doki inside.

In Buddhism they say, that people reincarnae until they find enlightment. So, I hope that I could grow to understand the meaning of life.

Thanks for the comment

[Imperial Arts]

HelloKitty, on 26 July 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

When working with Goetia spirits. I've received so many mysterous cuts. and they always twists what you want in a way that bites you

Yes. The remedy for this situation is not simple. Wherever you, the conjuror, have failed in achieving authority, the spirit has no restriction from ignoring you or doing something differently from the way you want. To be brief, sinful action negates your authority.

Example: A person who conjures for success in business, who has been lazy or has cheated in his dealings, will be lacking authority over the spirit and his gains will be small or problematic. The spirit is bound to manifest only those things in which you act as "servant of the most high," and where you fail in that, the spirits will fail you also.

When things go wrong, or don't go at all, the fault is usually not in the ritual or the paraphernalia, but in the moral character of the magician. For this reason I advise conjuring the angels and guardians first, and to take their counsel very seriously. They will present opportunities for exercising the sort of virtues that lend authority over the powers of evil.

HelloKitty, on 26 July 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

It'll be nice to ask,"If I should take this career or that career?" "Date this guy or that guy?" or to get a clear warning about a situation. Or advice on the things that I should avoid.

In divination, my cardinal rule is to ask no question of what I "should" do. It's my job to figure out what I should do. I look to divination for facts that inform me of the factors surrounding my choices.

[HelloKitty]

Imperial Arts, on 26 July 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

Yes. The remedy for this situation is not simple. Wherever you, the conjuror, have failed in achieving authority, the spirit has no restriction from ignoring you or doing something differently from the way you want. To be brief, sinful action negates your authority.

Example: A person who conjures for success in business, who has been lazy or has cheated in his dealings, will be lacking authority over the spirit and his gains will be small or problematic. The spirit is bound to manifest only those things in which you act as "servant of the most high," and where you fail in that, the spirits will fail you also.

When things go wrong, or don't go at all, the fault is usually not in the ritual or the paraphernalia, but in the moral character of the magician. For this reason I advise conjuring the angels and guardians first, and to take their counsel very seriously. They will present opportunities for exercising the sort of virtues that lend authority over the powers of evil.




In divination, my cardinal rule is to ask no question of what I "should" do. It's my job to figure out what I should do. I look to divination for facts that inform me of the factors surrounding my choices.

Thank you very much. I would admit that I have been VERY SINFUL. So, you're probably right. When working with angels, it's easier to be on your best behavior. But yeah, my requests for the demons were rather cruel. So now I practice white magic. I was a member of the Joy of Satan before I realized how racist it was. When I learned it was a racist website, I followed Diane Verra's material. So, I've gotten a LOT and I do mean a LOT of bad advice from the Joy of Satan. I was mad at the world and knee deep in pain. When people caused me pain. I wanted to cause them pain.
Then something strange happened. I asked Lucifer for guidance. and when I asked Lucifer for guidance, I had a dream where I saw Lucifer in front of the Bible I think and I heard,"Lucifer opens the flood gates of Heaven." I didn't know what it meant, but like 1 or 2 months later. I started practicing Angelic Magic. I was looking at Hoodoo for a while. But the main reason I got into Angelic Magic is because I was reading an insert of Pacts with the Devil, and the Author written about his experience with working with Angels. Then boom, I got into Angelic Magic. Lucifer really did open up the flood gates of Heaven. So your theory is probably correct. Aunt_Clair says that Lucifer is Jesus for Jesus called himself Lucifer in the Bible. and Jesus was called Lucifer a few times in the Bible or well morning star. Lucifer is mentioned once, but morning star is mentioned quite a few times.
But yeah, I'm avoiding ANYTHING that has to do with demons. They are the last things I want to deal with. I would rather master Angelic Magic, first. There are results. But it would be nice to actually hear them loud and clear. Or at least make dreams stronger. Like it would be nice to evolve spiritually. To be able to communicate with the most high.

[mephisto256]

Imperial Arts, on 26 July 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

Yes. The remedy for this situation is not simple. Wherever you, the conjuror, have failed in achieving authority, the spirit has no restriction from ignoring you or doing something differently from the way you want. To be brief, sinful action negates your authority.

Example: A person who conjures for success in business, who has been lazy or has cheated in his dealings, will be lacking authority over the spirit and his gains will be small or problematic. The spirit is bound to manifest only those things in which you act as "servant of the most high," and where you fail in that, the spirits will fail you also.

When things go wrong, or don't go at all, the fault is usually not in the ritual or the paraphernalia, but in the moral character of the magician. For this reason I advise conjuring the angels and guardians first, and to take their counsel very seriously. They will present opportunities for exercising the sort of virtues that lend authority over the powers of evil.

You know, you really said something there. I've thought of this, and I've even brought this to Kitty one time. (Thanks HelloKitty for posting on Angelic Magick period. You have no clue as for what you have done for me.) But Ive had slight results working with sigil magick, Abrahmelin Squares, even the "fictional" Nec spells. But with Angelic Magick, using a method styled from Kitty's, I recieved no results, and I believe it cost me my job. Although its a path I really feel I would enjoy walkin into, for I align my soul to the "good" side (Gave that demonic-supporting life a LONG time ago..But just maybe, just maybe, I really wasnt ready to ask for what I asked for. Being the fact that I asked I guess I would say, for a selfish reason? And of course it was on the plane of financial gain, didnt get it, AND lost the job I was using to get it? And I guess my fault rested in the fact that I shouldnt've approached the angelic forces like Givers in Abundance. " Hey, can you give me this. Hey, I need help gettin that...Oh..if our heavenly creator has it in his will to allow it so " I guess to them they were like, no, if we do this for you, at your current mindstate of a human, youd abuse it and gain nothing, as in no spiritual intellect or insight, you wouldnt respect this powers you are asking, and become a spoiled baby,cry and whine, and probably blaspheme the divine powers you want all this FREE stuff from..So yeah, i feel you Imperial, you made me walk a lil deeper into the rabbit hole I was wondering about....

[mephisto256]

Also...I STILL only plan to learn to work with Angelic Magick because I have this one thing about myself to know everything, well not even that, to know and understand that universal energy, that Godforce. And as a member of the 3rd dimension of time-space-matter, I look into how it well, in no short...CREATES....it transforms, permeates, everything to what science refer to as PHYSICS. For I believe the all powerful, forever and ever constant Godforce, reflects in our dimension as simply ENERGY itself...energy IS everything and it never dies, just ever changing, even in potential form, energy STILL always moving, becoming potential, looking for its "missing link" then, becomes kinetic again creating something, ANYTHING. Atoms make the microcosmic kinetic energy, in the macrocosm of a round ball thats showing potential, NON active energy by not moving. Even deeper the atoms themselves decay and die, but that energy gets tranformed to a potential on a quark level and forms a new atom and starts the "life and death" "phoenix cycle" all over again...ALL of this being controlled by, what I view as a Godlaw, is the law of constant change that us humans comprehend and understand as "time:" I think I had read in the Bible one time a passage pretty much saying in so many words. God reflects hisself in his creation, just, really look deeply. Meaning, with a deeper spiritual mindset and youll peep things. Seperating God & Science, is like, the DUMBEST thing to me..

Long story short, I want to be in tune and talk to those who know the Supreme Divine Creator the best, his original creations, bound by to his eternal force of love and things harmonious to his aspects of goodwill. I would like to ask angels questions like these because I know they could give me answers that satisfy my SOULS questions formed from our amazement and bewilderment of this eternal creative entity. I had friends here me tell them all this and they call me Solomon, but Im like so serious..I think those things are what I should be bringin to them, I think they would provide me answers that WOULD start to really purify me by expanding and deepening my thoughts and beliefs on what the "divine" is....and like Solomon, I think as long as my intent is as pure as now, the more they'll trust to reveal to me as a human and still stay either sane, or make a flip to the "dark side" lol

[Qryztufre]

I no longer seem to have time to maintain an index system like this... not the ones I used to enjoy doing all over the place, here and back at that other place *sigh* so I can not jump at the chance to do this...

However, if you have a given area of interest. that you have a short (or long) list of suggested reading for, feel free to start one. If a moderator likes it, they may just sticky it! I can not say that every board should have a list, or a list that is stickied, but if you do wish to start one, please do so.

In the future, I will look into getting something set up for this.

[HelloKitty]

mephisto256, on 11 August 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

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You're welcome. I was looking for others into Angelic Magick and people who knew more on the topic than I did. But there are different Angelic Practices, though. Sigil Magic NEVER worked for me. I found them to be useless. Never knew that Nec was fictional. I'm sorry you received no results. When working with Angels, I saw very quick results. Well, it also Depends on the situation. But when working with Angels, for me, the results were VERY immediate. But some results take months, like looking for a new home. But I moved to a new home, though. It took months, but it finally occurred. I try to keep my reasons pure. It's not always easy. But I read some Kabbalah material that humans are in a battle against the Ego, and that the Ego will always bite you in the ass. So, I just daily communicate with the Angels. Sometimes just telling the Angels what you're grateful for. Like,"I'm grateful to have a job. Thank you." But we are human, though. I don't think Angels expect us to be Mary Poppins. I don't think that there is anything wrong with asking for more money. But I don't think you should ask for more than what you need to live a comfortable life. You know, like it depends on what you're planning on doing with the extra money. Like the difference between wanting extra money for movie time or to pay for liver surgery or wanting more money to buy expensive things with. If you just want to have expensive stuff, then I doubt the angels would help you. But if you just want to get your car fixed, pay for surgery, or have extra money to go to the movies. Then I would think the angels would help you. Angels just want to help people. I doubt they would call you a "cry baby" or assume that you would do something that you know that you would never do. That is IF you would never do it. Sorry, I don't know you all that well, but you know yourself. :/

I just got into Angelic magic because 1.) It is the only type of magic that has given me REALLY quick and POWERFUL results. 2.) I believe in Reincarnation and I want this to be my very last life. I really don't want to come back here.

[mephisto256]

HelloKitty, on 24 August 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

You're welcome. I was looking for others into Angelic Magick and people who knew more on the topic than I did.

Im here!! lol. But yeah, I still havent gave up on it, I guess Im just tryna find the right approach thats agreeable amongst the "superpowers" that be, and I can see quick results as well. You know, they dont even have to be quick, just be comprehensible. If man cant live off bread alone, and a measure of faith is required..sometimes we need to see a few results from that faith to strengthen. Readin your "testimonials" has magnified my faith in this paradigm, this paradigm of "light" sort of say, and im ALL IN.

HelloKitty, on 24 August 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

I believe in Reincarnation and I want this to be my very last life. I really don't want to come back here.

Thats "Mariana Trench" deep. And I DEFINENTLY share that same mindset.

[HelloKitty]

mephisto256, on 17 September 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Im here!! lol. But yeah, I still havent gave up on it, I guess Im just tryna find the right approach thats agreeable amongst the "superpowers" that be, and I can see quick results as well. You know, they dont even have to be quick, just be comprehensible. If man cant live off bread alone, and a measure of faith is required..sometimes we need to see a few results from that faith to strengthen. Readin your "testimonials" has magnified my faith in this paradigm, this paradigm of "light" sort of say, and im ALL IN.

Thats "Mariana Trench" deep. And I DEFINENTLY share that same mindset.

From my experience, angels really want to help you purify your soul.

[mephisto256]

HelloKitty, on 19 October 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

From my experience, angels really want to help you purify your soul.

With that. How many angels have you had "personal conversation" with and how did you ask them to reveal themselves to you?