Purpose Of Magic?Purpose of magic development
Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:57 AM
I am new to the forum and trying to know people's perspective here so I know if I fit in this group or I am at the wrong place.
Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:17 PM
As to how you can go about achieving what you want, be it self realization or "selfish magick", you do it through practice. Different systems will use different methods, but there are some core skills that you'll need no matter what paradigm you choose to utilize.
* Concentration - This is one of the most fundamental skills, if not THE most fundamental. You'll need it if you want to be proficient at any sort of mystical work, so it's what is generally recommended first. There are many ways to train concentration, but, as the name implies, it's nothing more than the ability to focus on one thing to the exclusion of anything else. Visualization (holding on to one image in the mind) is usually what's recommended as the best way to train this particular skill, but you can use any of the other senses.
* Insight meditation (Vipassana) - This one trains Insight (Wisdom). This is the one that leads to the self-perfection that is spoken of in so many systems. There are many different ways to train insight apart from Vipassana, but I haven't yet come across any that approach it in such a direct way. Becoming proficient at this particular skill will allow you to know your mind better and thus be able to live better with it.
* Banishing - You'll need it if you happen to attract some undesirable entities to yourself during the course of your work, which is a fair possibility. There are many techniques and methods for banishing, so just pick one that suits you best. I don't think I've ever used this particular one, at least not consciously, but many people seem to think it's important, so I'm including it.
There are other skills, but they might actually get in your way if they aren't a part of the system you're utilizing. So apart from these, just follow whatever your pradigm tells you to practice.
To A Fullness, I Have to Express, The Devi that I Hold Within...
Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:53 PM
Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:18 PM
Edited by Spraypaint, 20 July 2012 - 06:18 PM.
Pray and Know that the world is Good. Do penitential rites and cleansings. Make yourself pure and humble. After that, then most of your dross will be swept away by Divine Joy.
Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:30 PM
As for my personal work, well, that is personal.
"There is a crack, a crack through everything. That is how the light gets in." -- Leonard Cohen
Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:17 PM
Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:43 PM
Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:20 PM
Kemetic Druidry : My Online Magical Journal
Big mountain, wide river
There's an ancient pull
These tree trunks, these stream beds
Leave our bellies full
They sing out I am going to stand my ground
You rise to me and I'll blow you down
I am going to stand my ground
You rise to me and I'll blow you down
Posted 22 July 2012 - 12:15 PM
Like scientists, occultists claim to possess secret and highly specialized knowledge of the workings of nature and like scientists they use this knowledge towards fulfilling their own ends and desires. But this is where the similarities stop.
The scientist uses technology to master the world while the mage uses magic to develop a relationship with it. An incantation is not a password that gets you what you want, it's a song meant to woo the subject of your spell.
Magic is a way of relating to the world, not a method of dominating it.
The scientific paradigm is based on the often unstated assumption that the observer must remain apart from whatever he observes if he wishes to understand it. This is why social scientists will take such meticulous care to make sure that they do not unconsciously influence the subjects of their experiment through their tone of voice or body language. It is why hard scientists will often remove themselves physically from their experiments and keep them hermetically sealed off from the world. Any identification with the subject risks 'subjectivity' -- the enemy of scientific objectivity. Unfortunately this isn't always possible. When a scientist uses an electron microscope to discover the position or velocity of a particle this very act of observation (the electron beam) causes the particle to deviate from the trajectory it would have taken had he not attempted to observe it. And so we see that the scientific method is ultimately based upon a flawed premise: the distinction between the observer and the observed; of object from subject.
The occult sciences have always been based upon the assumption that EVERYTHING is a part of a greater whole and that nothing exists in a vacuum. Numbers, colors, shapes, sounds, symbols are all interconnected and caught up within a divine harmony. It is this very state of connection which practical magic exploits. Every one of the magical laws is simply another facet of this basic principle of inter-relationship. It is just that there is no fundamental separation between a witch, her spell, and the subject of her spell which allows her magic to work -- and sometimes causes it to fail. Since magic is a living force it cannot be expected to work like a flawless mechanism composed of circuits and logic gates. And despite what you might think, this is actually a GOOD thing!
Magic refutes the essentially lifeless, deterministic paradigm of materialistic science in which all, even the soul, is composed of dead, inter-colliding billiard balls by showing us that the world really is alive and because it is alive, it is capable of being unpredictable, uncontrollable, and to some extent, unknowable. Humans who seek to 'control' magic as if it were electricity will eventually learn that they cannot truly understand anything by isolating it from everything else and subjecting it to one demeaning experiment after another anymore than they could get to know a person by locking them in cage and experimenting on them like a lab rat.
Magic will reveal her deepest secrets to her lovers.
— Oscar Wilde
Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:05 PM
Total tangent: we've been open-source since about the end of the First Dot-Com Bust. That characterization is past and gone, our species is moving forward.
Generally, the secrets are obvious and have always been so. But if teachers do not call them secrets, a whole swath of people who could have otherwise learned them would ignore it. They are secret only in the sense that we don't pay attention.
Likewise, scientists may have wielded and abused their authority as advisors and explorers, and our modern discovery machine requires a lot of politicking, grants and equipment ... but it has always been meant for individuals to experiment and observe for themselves, not merely read about it in publications and argued second-hand.
So the only thing stopping any of us from the "secrets" is ourselves. Our species wanted the scientific knowledge and occult wisdom to be accessible only to a few. That's all changed with the Internet. Live with the times, man :-)
Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:20 PM
It is both except that after a while your perception of 'self' changes.
If you mean, how do you satisfy personal interests or attain a better understanding of your own nature through occult measures, then that depends on which discipline you practice.
Posted 25 August 2012 - 05:32 AM
but mostly because it stirs up a passion in me.
Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:15 PM
Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:52 PM
Well, the notion of True Will as Crowley promoted it is a bit of religious dogma, every man and woman is s star and all that that implies (that the generalized source of conflict in the world is people not acting in accord with True (capital T) Will (capital W), not following their natural course as the star they are, etc. and so on, all stuff that your handle suggests you're on about promoting too. The ironic thing is that when you break it down, life in this world resolves to utter determinism for the Thelemite, but not for the trogs. The price of Free (capital F) Will (capital W), so it seems, is a little conflict. Heh.
Maybe there is no "purpose" tied to any "should" phrase.
Personally, I use magick to enrich my life in every domain I can, including the lives of those I love and care about directly, and more broadly the lives of my contemporaries and future generations. Is that my purpose? If it is, how would I know?
Edited by R. Eugene Laughlin, 26 August 2012 - 04:07 AM.
Posted 02 September 2012 - 10:23 PM
On the other hand you seem to also be interpretting Liber Al for me, should you then be shunned? I will not try and interpret anyone else's personal journel for them. But I will work hard to try and understand my own which I have hopes will help me understand the Universal Will. No guarantees.
Posted 02 September 2012 - 11:22 PM
I've been practicing and studying systems of magick for 20 years now, and in those 20 years the best answer I can find is simply because I want to. It isn't something that I sought out due to any interest or any reason really, it was actually handed to me. Let's see.. when I was 7, my devout roman catholic dad sent my very agnostic mother an amethyst crystal, thinking she was 'into that sort of thing' - she wasn't - but it sparked an interest in her which resulted in a nice chunk of change being spent on various equipments and books. While her interest dwindled after a few short months, mine only grew. It was so awe-some to me at the time, when I learned that magick (holy shit!) actually exists (!!omghowcool!!). I had no clue what all could be done with it, but I wanted to know how high that mountain goes.. and i still have no clue.
Somewhere along the lines that little boy's dream of calling up a tornado being the pinnacle of magickal skill turned into the realization that stopping one in it's tracks is far more impressive & while I started out with having no real purpose, just a very glittery dream, I find that I aim now to master what I've inherited.
“The only dream worth having is to dream that you will live while you are alive, and die only when you are dead. To love, to be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and vulgar disparity of the life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never to forget.”
― Arundhati Roy
Posted 03 September 2012 - 02:09 AM
On the other hand you seem to also be interpretting Liber Al for me, should you then be shunned?
As you will, but I'm not interpreting Al, I'm suggesting that maybe it's a load of crap.
Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:27 AM
Posted 03 September 2012 - 04:50 AM
אחד זו אוד
Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:20 AM
Arto Kalishian' timestamp said:
Self-interest, completely. When I chucked it up some time ago we were smacked upside the head by the biggest wave of shit you could ever imagine. Nothing like that had ever happened to me before, I had been an extremely 'lucky' person.
So, yeah, maybe not pure self-interest, but the interests of those I love who are affected by the path I choose or lose.
Having said that, development of the self goes with magick. Will higher than ego and all that.
Perfection? No, wholeness.
So you wuz in the right place but it musta been the wrong time.
Edited by Reflectionseeker, 03 September 2012 - 08:21 AM.
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