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[meaculpa]

Well, last monday I was furious at our friends wife since she never issued an appologie for ill manerism. So I made a doll of black material, stuffed it with dry red peppers and poppy for confusion and weaking the will, licorice root and annointed with calamus root oil and bend over oil. Placed her pic on the head, baptized her, peed on her for dominance, placed her under a bowl and lit a purple candle inscribed and annointed with bend over. I felt the energy flow through me as i was comanding her to apologize to me. The next day i wrapped her in purple cloth and put her away.

Few days ago I had a dream that me and her are at a mutual friends house and she was way too docile and talking to me as if her memory has been erased. This is a person that is like a donkey on a bridge, by the way. Even in the dream i was wondering why in hell is she talking to me.

In real life, she deleted me and blocked me at Facebook. Right now I am at the point of just not caring. I dont know if the spell has started working or not, but I really can care less.

So, all this in consideration, should i dismantle the doll baby or not? If so, do I call her spirit out and do what with the materials?

Thanks :-)

Edited by meaculpa, 12 March 2012 - 11:06 PM.

[Brennan]

That you're unsure of dismantling & are unsure of it's success sounds as though you're not sure if you're invested enough in it to continue, but it also sounds to me as though you still want to continue with it. I would question dismantling it at this time, because it's stuck in this zone of uncertainty and I've found a thing, once fed magick, will stick around until it's resolved.

But I also think disposing of it would be a good idea; out of sight, out of mind. So my suggestion is to bury it. The burial will give it an extra boost of strength towards a resolution but the decomposition would lend itself as a time-duration in a sense.

A part of me wants to add that burying it in a place where one of this person's relatives is also buried, so much the better, but I can't really think of why... Hm.

Anyway, that's what i got.

[meaculpa]

Well, I actually feel as if I put my all into it that night - all my frustration, all my anger and now I am empty. Even if I wanted to work it more - I have no emotions to direct to her. A real "I dont care" kinda thing. I could start thinking and work up my anger - but I feel as if I have better things to use my energy towards, if you catch my drift.

I have never worked with a dolly before, so I dont know if I can dismantle it at any time or not. I would not want to bury her while she is still linked though.

Edited by meaculpa, 13 March 2012 - 04:56 PM.

[Caliban]

How serious was her misbehavior and how much do you care about receiving an apology from her for it? If you could make her do your will, what would you make her do? You have the dolly made, and have set a working in motion. My instinct is not to change course but to see it through until you have your apology and have set her on the course you've determined. If getting her out of your life is what you want, it doesn't seem it would be that hard to push for. Still, receiving the apology would be a sure success, and I think you might want to hold out for that, then cut her loose.

[A Rogue Spirit]

meaculpa, on 12 March 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Well, last monday I was furious at our friends wife since she never issued an appologie for ill manerism. So I made a doll of black material, stuffed it with dry red peppers and poppy for confusion and weaking the will, licorice root and annointed with calamus root oil and bend over oil. Placed her pic on the head, baptized her, peed on her for dominance, placed her under a bowl and lit a purple candle inscribed and annointed with bend over. I felt the energy flow through me as i was comanding her to apologize to me. The next day i wrapped her in purple cloth and put her away.

Few days ago I had a dream that me and her are at a mutual friends house and she was way too docile and talking to me as if her memory has been erased. This is a person that is like a donkey on a bridge, by the way. Even in the dream i was wondering why in hell is she talking to me.

In real life, she deleted me and blocked me at Facebook. Right now I am at the point of just not caring. I dont know if the spell has started working or not, but I really can care less.

So, all this in consideration, should i dismantle the doll baby or not? If so, do I call her spirit out and do what with the materials?

Thanks :-)

I think the key here is to redirect using the same plant energies to do so. Switch the meaning of what you made. Use black cloth for absorbing negativity and banishing, red pepper for passion and spice in the life, poppies for peaceful sleep, licorice for healing love and passion, the calamus to give her control over her own life, and the bend over oil to incline others to protect her...but not over protect her. Put her picture on the head again, use salt, sage, incense, etc to purify the entire doll, picture, etc and do not pee on her this time. hehe This time light the purple and inscribe it for balancing her life. Put the doll in a nice wooden box and or pretty cloth and bury the doll in nature and do a spell to forget about your problems together and for the two of you to peacefully move on from your broken relationship. Give her the time to come back to you if she never forgives you you have done what you could to amend things. Be sincere in your rituals and enter with a light heart and all should be well.

Good luck!

Edited by aroguespirit, 13 March 2012 - 05:42 AM.

[K-r-x]

So its been... a day?

Bury it. Better if its in a place that the subject will pass by daily.

Sorry, but I just have to say it... all that was done just to get an "I'm sorry"? I'm not sure if I'm impressed or horrified, but either way... good show.

[meaculpa]

K-r-x, on 13 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

So its been... a day?

Bury it. Better if its in a place that the subject will pass by daily.

Sorry, but I just have to say it... all that was done just to get an "I'm sorry"? I'm not sure if I'm impressed or horrified, but either way... good show.

Been a week......horrified? Over what? I was not doing a death spell - just getting an apology by whatever means available to me at a certain point in time. Maybe I could have went with compelling instead of bend over, but oh well.

aroguespirit, on 13 March 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

I think the key here is to redirect using the same plant energies to do so. Switch the meaning of what you made. Use black cloth for absorbing negativity and banishing, red pepper for passion and spice in the life, poppies for peaceful sleep, licorice for healing love and passion, the calamus to give her control over her own life, and the bend over oil to incline others to protect her...but not over protect her. Put her picture on the head again, use salt, sage, incense, etc to purify the entire doll, picture, etc and do not pee on her this time. hehe This time light the purple and inscribe it for balancing her life. Put the doll in a nice wooden box and or pretty cloth and bury the doll in nature and do a spell to forget about your problems together and for the two of you to peacefully move on from your broken relationship. Give her the time to come back to you if she never forgives you you have done what you could to amend things. Be sincere in your rituals and enter with a light heart and all should be well.

Good luck!

Ohhhh, those are all good ideas rogue!

Caliban, on 13 March 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

How serious was her misbehavior and how much do you care about receiving an apology from her for it? If you could make her do your will, what would you make her do? You have the dolly made, and have set a working in motion. My instinct is not to change course but to see it through until you have your apology and have set her on the course you've determined. If getting her out of your life is what you want, it doesn't seem it would be that hard to push for. Still, receiving the apology would be a sure success, and I think you might want to hold out for that, then cut her loose.

She has been acting with complete disregard for a long time, this last week was just a tipping point for me....how much I care for her apology? I do, but only for the reason to see her break to do that (just being honest). I dont want anything else for her to do. Even if she doesnt apologize I can live with it. If not changing the course - do I need to work with the dollie or just leave it alone for now?

[Iago]

Sadly I have nothing to contribute to the subject, but reading you guys talk has been very informative so far, so thanks. I'm giving you each one "upvote" or reputation/whatever

Edited by Iago, 13 March 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[PheonixAlpha]

I think now would be a good chance for you to try out some divination on your working.

If you want an apology write "apologise" on a piece of paper and wrap it around or stick it to the head. You can annoint the paper with appropriate oil if you feel like it.

Edited by PheonixAlpha, 13 March 2012 - 06:25 PM.

[Adumbra]

I think you should keep the doll intact for as long as you wish the spell to last.

Dolls in general are good to keep around. Who knows when you may need it again?

[Pale]

Personally I'm of the opinion that an apology wouldn't mean much if it was compelled by outside forces.

It sounds like this was more an exercise of ego than anything, a desire for her to submit and admit that she was wrong and you were right. I'm not sure what you expected to come out of such a thing.

[meaculpa]

Pale, on 14 March 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

Personally I'm of the opinion that an apology wouldn't mean much if it was compelled by outside forces.

Sure it does, in this case I didnt care how it came about

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It sounds like this was more an exercise of ego than anything, a desire for her to submit and admit that she was wrong and you were right.

Yes, it does sound like that....and?

PheonixAlpha, on 13 March 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

I think now would be a good chance for you to try out some divination on your working.

If you want an apology write "apologise" on a piece of paper and wrap it around or stick it to the head. You can annoint the paper with appropriate oil if you feel like it.

I did try to ask the pendulum last night. It said that the doll is to be burned, it has not linked to the person the right way because the handwriting I placed inside was someone else's - where I thought it was hers.

[PheonixAlpha]

meaculpa, on 14 March 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

I did try to ask the pendulum last night. It said that the doll is to be burned, it has not linked to the person the right way because the handwriting I placed inside was someone else's - where I thought it was hers.

Oh no..that would create an odd link...an unstable link.

What did you do? Have you burnt it? Do you know whose handwriting it is?

Edited by PheonixAlpha, 22 March 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[meaculpa]

PheonixAlpha, on 22 March 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Oh no..that would create an odd link...an unstable link.

What did you do? Have you burnt it? Do you know whose handwriting it is?

Ohhh, when I asked the pendulum again - I got a totally different answer - that it was her handwriting, that I am to call the spirit out of the dollie and bury it without taking it apart. Now, I have wrapped it and put it away. I have not gotten any movement at all and according to the pendulum I am not gonna get an apology because she doesnt see that she has done any wrong. In her head she was in the right. So, I have to sit down again and ask where to bury it. I have not done so yet, because when I asked is there a certain day that I am to do this, it said yes - but then as I was saying the days of the week, it answered yes on couple of them. I read that a dolly with its spirit called out can be buried in your yard.

[R. Eugene Laughlin]

meaculpa, on 22 March 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Ohhh, when I asked the pendulum again - I got a totally different answer - that it was her handwriting, that I am to call the spirit out of the dollie and bury it without taking it apart. Now, I have wrapped it and put it away. I have not gotten any movement at all and according to the pendulum I am not gonna get an apology because she doesnt see that she has done any wrong. In her head she was in the right. So, I have to sit down again and ask where to bury it. I have not done so yet, because when I asked is there a certain day that I am to do this, it said yes - but then as I was saying the days of the week, it answered yes on couple of them. I read that a dolly with its spirit called out can be buried in your yard.

I think you're laboring too hard over this decision. The doll is essentially packaging for an active agency that you yourself infused it with. I suggest you exorcise the doll by any means you feel is appropriate. Then dismantle the doll to whatever degree is necessary to avoid scaring the straights (should anyone happen to come across it later), then just throw the materials away like you would any other trash. That's what I would do.

And for a brief theoretical account of that sort of treatment, if you treat the doll in a special way after you've exorcised it, you're essentially reinforcing the notion that the doll must still have some active properties to it. I think that notion is likely to stick in the back of your mind, and may potentially haunt you later on. Once you've exorcised (deactivated) the doll, then there's nothing special about it anymore, right? It's just the raw material again, what it was before you did the magick. It's just trash.

Edited by R. Eugene Laughlin, 22 March 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Caliban]

Well, that is a matter of some dispute.

Exorcized or not, materials used in magic have been so used, and some folk reinforce their practice as a whole by taking particular precautions over refuse or disposing of it in a particular, ritualized way.

Some things (the little metal cups tea-lights come in) I will just throw away. Something that has been an active agent of a spell or working I decommission by breaking it up and disposing of the remains elementally - scattered to the four winds as a crossroads, or thrown into running water, or burned in a fire, or buried.

That terminates the spell in a final and irrevocable way. It also reinforces the notion that what I was dealing with was different from ordinary stuff I just chuck in the trash. Does that make sense?

[R. Eugene Laughlin]

Caliban, on 22 March 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Well, that is a matter of some dispute.

Exorcized or not, materials used in magic have been so used, and some folk reinforce their practice as a whole by...

I'm aware that yours probably represents a more common attitude and practice than mine. No one accuses me of being too traditional these days. Heh. For me, nothing says "it's over" better than disregarding "it," and there's no more disregard, to my mind, than unceremoniously discarding the remains of a spell. I don't like to leave magical-looking things where people might run across them though, so I do tend to take things apart, or otherwise make them look decidedly ordinary as much as I can.

In truth, personally, I wouldn't actually bother with the exorcism if it were just me. I'd disassemble whatever it is, throw it away, and would quite naturally and effortlessly forget about it. That hasn't always been true for me, but it is now. However, almost all of the magick I do these days that includes materials like that are workings I do together with my wife, and she needs the formal exorcism or she's likely to perseverate for a good while before the connection eventually dissipates on its own, which it always does sooner or later by the way. So we've learned to do the exorcism together for her sake. I don't expect that to change either. I mean, it might but there's no reason why it should. There's nothing superior about what would otherwise work for me personally.

I guess everyone needs what they need. The bottom line, I believe, is to definitively severe ones connection from the left over materials.For the readership, I wanted to put it out there that accomplishing that goal really doesn't have to be all that ceremonial. As for Mea, I've been monitoring the thread, and I was giving advice meant specifically for her based on what I know.

[Alice]

I have lots of thoughts here, actually.

First I don't see that spell getting you an apology, just submissive behaviour hence forth. Her breaking ties with you might be a manifestation of success. You now intimidate her and she's avoiding you without knowing why.

I'm very much impressed with the technique, and between you and me and everyone else here, you threw so much energy into it that it's leaking off the post you wrote about it. Good show.

However, the spotty results may be a matter of motive. You were obviously extremely emotional at the time, and thereby contributed a huge force to the spell, but it was also unfocused. That seems like a lot of trouble to go to over someone being rude, and I question whether or not you knew what you wanted.

What you seem to have achieved is removing her from your life, and freeing yourself of attachments to her or your negative feelings toward her, which is a victory, and a more noble goal... Not that I really care (being no paragon of virtue) whether or not you have a noble goal, but I think maybe you do.

If you still want that apology, you're going to need to do more work with the doll. Don't repeat anything you've done, you've got obedience and all that, which will make the effect of the next phase stronger. Repeating yourself now would be like pounding on the keyboard because the computer is too slow... Not helping. Select an herb associated with contrition, and maybe a bit of Slippery Elm bark, and anoint with that, and whatever other symbols you want to use, and make sure your intent is more focused this time. Writing it would probably help.

If you're done and just want not to deal with her anymore, bury it, but away from your property and preferably not anywhere you go often. A graveyard, or even her yard would be appropriate.

if you're having second thoughts and want to end the spell forthwith, remove the picture, tell the doll out loud that it is no longer what's-her-name, and for good measure use an athame or similar tool to cut the cord connecting it to her. Then dismantle it and burn or bury the pieces. As Eugene says the last step is only necessary if it's necessary. I lean toward Caliban's method and while I suppose I could do it the other way, it just isn't my style.

May you find what you seek,
Alice

Edited by Alice, 22 March 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[voidgazing]

I've kept my yap shut on this one so far, but- what she said. Like, bold and italicized, even.

[meaculpa]

I think I have learned a huge lesson here - dont work when you are angry. Probably thats why it was unfocused and all that. I do want to be done and over with it, at least with this method. I think I will go with Alice and Calibans combined suggestions and dismantle it, burn it and most likely scatter the remains on the crossroad.

I just have to ritually dispose of all my workings. They have to be properly either buried, thrown at crossroads, river or whatever is appropriate. Even if I burn incense I cant throw in the trash. The only things I dispose of are the aluminum things from tea lights, where the glass encased novena (vigil) candles I recycle.