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[HelloKitty]

Well, I have learned quickly that Angelic Magic works WAY BETTER and FASTER than Goetia. Goetia has never done anything for me. To tell the truth. I mean, I did see Andras and other Goetia spirits in my dreams. But nothing happened or WORSE, things happened that I never meant to happen. So, I would use a Goetia spirit, and they would come to me and a dream, and make TERRIBLE, horrible things happen in real life that I never intended to happen.

But then, I got into Angelic Magic. Funny thing is, before that happened, I had a dream of Lucifer. Lucifer was on a book, but he was moving and I heard,"Lucifer will open the gates of Heaven." Then later I got into Angelic magic and saw DESIRABLE results in a short amount of time. Like within 10 days. I've been using Catholic dictionaries and asking Angels for help, and surely enough, they do help. and they are amazing. and I've learned unusual things, too. Like Samael is an Angel. I know that most people view him as a nasty demon. But from my experience, he is very much an angel. Don't get me wrong. I can't see Angels awake. and I can't hear Angels, either. At least not awake. Though, I have heard voices before that has given me GREAT advice. I guess that was an Angel. But now I'm trying to hear those voices, again.

But anyway, I want to confirm something is Hariel really the Angel that frees people from addiction? I want protection from two girls. I want them to stay out of my life. So far, working with angels for me has been GREAT. It has TRULY been a wonderful experience. Right now, I just have 2 books on them.

How to Hear Your Angels by Doreen Virtue
Angel Magic: Angel Inspiration for Busy People

And I love both of those books, especially since I did love Wicca when I was younger. Though, I hated the SLOW results. I truly am happiest with Angelic Magic because the results are always positive and it's always very fast. The angels are never slow. and I do think Hand's On Chaos Magic could help me with meditation, since I'm terrible with it. Also, I realize that certain websites are a great help. But I am having a hard time finding Angels that could remove people from my life. As far as why they are in my life, I think it's because of my bad karma. See, I used to act just like them. And I do remember Aunt Clair talking about "soul families." I guess it's a "like attracts like." I won't lie, I used to behave exactly like them. It's like looking at a reflection in a mirror, so I do believe that they were just my bad karma catching up to me. But now, I would like it if they would be removed from my life. I never really had that problem before. Whenever I was young, I've always had to talent to get unwanted people to move away. Even in my High School years, I've had to talent to focus my energies to get unwanted people to move away. Me and my enemy have a common problem and that problem is obsession. But now, I've changed so much through Angelic help. I have really changed a lot because of the Angels. She is a negative force in my life, and I honestly believe that she is obsessed with me.

All I need is Angelic names. I don't need a ritual. If a person could give me an Angelic names, I could do the rest of the work. I need to know, could Hariel free a person from addiction? Is haheuiah the best Angel to protect me from evil? I am just trying to figure out if the information from this following website is accurate or not: http://www.ucm.ca/en...4-haheuiah.html

I would stronly appreciate it if anybody with enough patience could take their time out to read it. I also like Yerathel, which protects against slander. So, basically, what I'm really looking at is names of angels of protection. And an angel of addiction because I believe that this girl is obsessed with me. and that is unhealthy for her. and I wouldn't mind Angelic healing to erase her obsession issues. We could both move on outside each others lives. and I don't think protection would work without curing her of her obsession. She would need to be free from her obsession. To be able to look at me, without any urges to contact me. To be urge free, obsession free, and I do believe that it would make her life happier and healthier. This would be something beautiful, positive, and wonderful for this girl. She could be so much happier with her life if she wouldn't obsessed with me. And if I could just free her from the bonds of obsession, I could help the both of them live happier lives. I have asked Michael and Samael for protection before, but I really think that the reason this chick keeps contacting me is because she's addicted to me. and likewise, with her friend, it's almost like she's chained to me. I mean, we have so many of the same likes and interests. We just have so much in common that I can't seem to escape her. I don't really want to change her interest, I would like to be invisible in their eyes. I want to be invisible from them. Protected from them. and free them from their obssession. And I do think Protection and Obsession here works hand-in-hand. I strongly feel that if I could help her overcome obsession, that I would free her from my life forever. I want her to do what's best for her and "move on." I also believe that if she were to "move on," she and her friend would lead a healthier and happier life. I could really see them be filled with so much joy and happiness if that could just be free from obsession. I know in my heart that they would be happy ^^ So, I really want this Angel for both me and them, for I really believe that I would be making a positive inpact in their lives. Likewise, I would be free from unhealthy stalkers ^^

[Spraypaint]

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At least not awake. Though, I have heard voices before that has given me GREAT advice.

Why not ask the angels for further advice on the matter?

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But now, I've changed so much through Angelic help. I have really changed a lot because of the Angels

It shows .

[HelloKitty]

Spraypaint, on 05 March 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Why not ask the angels for further advice on the matter?



It shows .

Because I can't hear or see angels. In the past, I had the ability of clairaudience, but not anymore. According to Doreen Virtue, it comes from tuning people out. When you have to tune people out, you are cutting off your clairaudient abilities.

Thank you. Yeah, I've been asking the angels to help me overcome my issues. But that was easier. Dr. Standley's website seems to be very accurate. It was a BIG help. The Angels were successful with helping me overcome my issues. Getting people out of my life is harder, though. And if I can't get them out of my life, I'll backslide. But the angels have been granting me things quickly. Sorry for the vagueness, but the Angels have been helping me with a lot of real world problems. I have really benefited them. You know, I am so happy about their help that once my life is stablize, I would like to use blogspot to write about my experience with the Angels and what each angel has done for me. I would really like to share my experience so that people would ask the Angels for their problems. and the best part is, I don't need a big fancy, expensive ritual. It's like Doreen Virtue has helped me, and I want to help other people ^^ But I just might just have to put myself in a position where I wouldn't need to tune people out anymore. I would really need to be able to afford my own place so that I could practice clairaudience.

[Spraypaint]

HelloKitty, on 05 March 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Because I can't hear or see angels. In the past, I had the ability of clairaudience, but not anymore. According to Doreen Virtue, it comes from tuning people out. When you have to tune people out, you are cutting off your clairaudient abilities.

You are lucky to be working with angels, for I have yet to experience it.
However, I have dealt with spirits before. They don't "speak" like you or I.
If directly, it has been according to my experiences through dreams and emotions.

If angry at you, they will project anger.

If happy, they will project happiness and so on and so on.

So being more turned inward, more in tune with your own emotions would seem to be key.

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The Angels were successful with helping me overcome my issues. Getting people out of my life is harder, though. And if I can't get them out of my life, I'll backslide.

So its more of a case you want them to leave because they are a bad influence on you, or feel they will be?
If they don't leave, and the magic has worked for you, why not move to some where new? It would give you a new beginning (and what you need to do so) and make you feel more closer with the spirits you work with now.

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Sorry for the vagueness, but the Angels have been helping me with a lot of real world problems. I have really benefited them. You know, I am so happy about their help that once my life is stablize, I would like to use blogspot to write about my experience with the Angels and what each angel has done for me.

The vagueness is understandable. Sometimes direct experiences (especially spiritual) cannot be translated verbally to others who yet to share similar experiences. But I am happy things turned out for the better for you.

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I would really like to share my experience so that people would ask the Angels for their problems. and the best part is, I don't need a big fancy, expensive ritual.

What books are you working with?
I been trying to contact these beings. Just like you, I have no interest in working with (while not Goetia) Lesser Spirits due the problems they cause.

If interested in exchanging resources, I'll be more then happy to tell you what books I'm working out of. In short, show me yours, and I'll show you mine.

[null]

How do you then work with them if not with a ritual?
Why do you dislike that girl? She'll get over you, it's not like you are the only 'good drug' to be addicted, if you like to call yourself a good drug , he he

[Spraypaint]

She has posted here before. I think it may deal with a woman who is bothering her, not one she has a wish to become intimate with. Think stalker.

[HelloKitty]

Spraypaint, on 05 March 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

You are lucky to be working with angels, for I have yet to experience it.
However, I have dealt with spirits before. They don't "speak" like you or I.
If directly, it has been according to my experiences through dreams and emotions.

If angry at you, they will project anger.

If happy, they will project happiness and so on and so on.

So being more turned inward, more in tune with your own emotions would seem to be key.


So its more of a case you want them to leave because they are a bad influence on you, or feel they will be?
If they don't leave, and the magic has worked for you, why not move to some where new? It would give you a new beginning (and what you need to do so) and make you feel more closer with the spirits you work with now.



The vagueness is understandable. Sometimes direct experiences (especially spiritual) cannot be translated verbally to others who yet to share similar experiences. But I am happy things turned out for the better for you.


What books are you working with?
I been trying to contact these beings. Just like you, I have no interest in working with (while not Goetia) Lesser Spirits due the problems they cause.

If interested in exchanging resources, I'll be more then happy to tell you what books I'm working out of. In short, show me yours, and I'll show you mine.

The books I'm using are How to Hear Your Angels by Doreen Virtue and Angel Magic: Angel Inspiration for Busy People by Cassandra Eason. Unfortunately, there are not many books on non-Enochian Angelic Magic. I do NOT trust Enochian magic. I have a bad feeling about it. and a person I trust adviced against it. And it's hard finding books on non-Enochian Angelic magic. Or books don't doesn't require that you buy way too much useless junk. I've learned that beings are more understandable than people. People would say things like,"You need to buy this, that, and that and this." But beings don't really seem to care.

This website seems to be very good. Personally, I like it. http://www.drstandle...ce_angels.shtml

It's a list of Angels and what they do. And it's very accurate. I've been using it for self-help. To overcome jealousy; to become friendlier, and more disciplined. So, personally, I would recommend it. Also, I am the type of person who'd rather complete one task before moving onto another. I don't want to be an I think it's called "arm chair practionar." I would rather do than just read. For me, the simplest methods works the best. I've gotten VERY better reasons keeping "rituals" as simple as possible, then I ever then doing the complicated stuff. Because when I kept it simple, my mind was focused on my intent. When it was complicated, I was too distracted trying to be perfect.

So personally, all I do is walk to the Directions, call upon the Four Arch Angels. I welcome Jesus above me and Samael below me. I don't use candles because I live with others and they hate it. Otherwise, I would. and well, I don't think the Angels care. I've been able to do the "rituals" without the candles. My family really hates it. So, well. What could I do? So, after opening the directions. I just let the Angels know what I need. and well, I get it. But for me, it seems that I need to put emotion in it. Then forget it.

Like for me, it seems it works best if I were to put a lot of intense emotions into what I want. Then forget about it.

Doreen seems to have a similar philosophy. So, please allow me to read from her book. I'll give you an except:
"Archangel Michael, I call upon you now. Please cut the cords of fear that are draining my energy and vitality. Thank you."
Doreen Virtue. How to Hear Your Angels

All you have to do is think it or ask it and Arch Angel Michael would cut the cords of negativity. and it does work. You could also say or think"Archangel Michael, I call upon you now to clear and vacuum the effects of fear."

All this is simple and easy stuff. It's so simple that you think it wouldn't work. But it actually does. When I asked Chamuel for help. All I did was open the directions and asked Chamuel for help and that's it. and when closing. I don't dismiss the Angels, so much as I say,"Thank you for attending. Guide my way. Light my path." It probably would explain why I had a dream which said,"Please allow the Angels to guide you." So, it's kinda a prayer-like ritual. So far, I've received whatever I asked. So, it works for me. But the problem I have is, I STRONGLY depend on names. I would need a name to remove a person out of my life. Though, I guess I could invite the Four Arch Angels, and ask them to direct the right Angel to me. I guess I could ask,"Send me an Angel that could remove X from my life. That might work."

Getting what I want is easy as long as I have a name. My real problem is developing psychic abilities. I'm just not in the right environment. Of course, I could follow instructions from a book, and I STRONLY trust in Doreen Virtue's advice. But the problem is my environment. My environment is causing me to block psychic abilities. I would need to get a new home so that I could be in a better enviornment. I trust in the Angels completely, but I do know that this all takes time. It's not something that's going to happen overnight. Things like getting a new place in this environment could take months. Lord knows it's going to take a lot of patience. and I'm fine with it. Because I trust in the Angels completely. But me, I don't have many books because I would rather put things to practice. When it comes to Doreen's advice, I haven't been in a good position to put it to practice. But I know from experience that her methods work. Back when I was clairaudient, I was following the advice in her book. But lately, my life has put me in a position where I couldn't follow her advice, and the clairaudience went away. But you know what, I just have to call on the Angels to put my life back to where it needs to be so that I could listen to them. Then maybe they could give me the name of the Angel who could remove these unwanted people from my life.

From Doreen Virtue's book, this is what she says. Angels don't do anything unless they are asked. Why? Because of Free Will. If they just get involved, they would be violating Free Will. Also, each and every single one of us has written out our lives before we were born. If Angels are going to intervene, we would need to give them permission to intervene. Otherwise, they wouldn't do anything that seems to be going against a person's free will.

From other sources across the Internet, when it comes to attracting people into your life or removing people away from your life. Everybody does have free will. But people's souls are divided into four parts. At least according to the Kabbalah. Each person has a Higher Self. and that higher self is another version of that person. Basically, the Higher Self or Oversoul or whatever is what draws people to you or away from you. An Angel may not give you the person you want because the person you want my be incompatible with you or taken. If Angels pick certain people out for you, they would've picked your best match. I would assume that drawing people away would work the same way. Through a person's Oversoul. I saw a ritual on it, here: http://www.sarahsarc...com/ritual.html

And I just tried it, yesterday, so it's too early to tell.

[HelloKitty]

null, on 05 March 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

How do you then work with them if not with a ritual?
Why do you dislike that girl? She'll get over you, it's not like you are the only 'good drug' to be addicted, if you like to call yourself a good drug , he he

She'll get over me? She's been stalking me since 2009. Why else would I ask for Angelic help??? and to answer your question. Would you like to be stalked?

[Spraypaint]

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I STRONGLY depend on names.

While many spirits are described having power over one domain, their influence can go beyond that, depending how deep your relationship to the being is.

In another post, the idea of the emotions associated with the being were more important then the names, and focusing on calling forth a spirit associated with that emotion seems to work based on some others' accounts.

One ritual I've been attempting to do comes from a book that deals with angels specifically and leveling out Karma.

How great are you at visualization? Enough to see an object when you will it to? Or in this case, a door way?

[HelloKitty]

Spraypaint, on 05 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

While many spirits are described having power over one domain, their influence can go beyond that, depending how deep your relationship to the being is.

In another post, the idea of the emotions associated with the being were more important then the names, and focusing on calling forth a spirit associated with that emotion seems to work based on some others' accounts.

One ritual I've been attempting to do comes from a book that deals with angels specifically and leveling out Karma.

How great are you at visualization? Enough to see an object when you will it to? Or in this case, a door way?

I don't understand. I've felt so much pain in my life that I've tried to separate myself from my emotions. I've spent so much time trying to overcome my emotions. So, I'm not exactly in-tuned with my own emotions. Whenever I feel pain, I just call on the Four Arch Angels according to Doreen Virtue, it's good to talk to Angels to help you deal with your emotions. It's like, even though I work with Angels, I'm still human. I still feel large amounts of pain sometimes. And I need them to help me. They can and they do wash away negative feelings, but unless I get away from a negative enivornment, the negative feelings will come back. So, I'm trying to find a new enironment. I figured, if I could move to a healthier environment, then I wouldn't feel so much pain, and I could ask for angel help less than I normally do.

Angels leveling out Karma? That's good. I'm trying to get rid of bad karma. This stalker of mine. Just like Aunt Clair said. She was my "soul family." She is my own fault for I have been guilty of cyber-harassing a girl. I was young at the time. I was a teenager. and now, I'm paying for my actions. Don't get me wrong. I have been ignoring these girls. and one of the girls got her comeuppance when I called Samael's name. I didn't even think. I just SCREAMED SA MA EL 3x and that girl got her comeuppance ASAP. and I didn't even get involved with the situation. I just ignored her. Well, I avoided contacting her. But I would really like to help her get away from me. I'm currently practicing this simple ritual here: http://www.sarahsarc...com/ritual.html

Where I ask her Oversoul and Guardian Angel to keep her away from me. Don't know if it's going to work though. And I figured, addiction and obsession is pretty much the same thing. If Hariel deals with addiction, he probably deals with obsession, too. And could get the stalker out of my life. When it comes to visualization, I used to be EXCELLENT with it, when I was young. But now, I'm horrible at it XD I could visualize, but I should probably use my book Hands-on Chaos Magic by Andrieh Vitimus because the book is all about visualization skills and meditation skills. I'll just take things slowly with that.

You know what? There is another option. Whenever I got mad at the pendulum for not giving me accurate answers, I would ask Angels for a sign. Like a feather or coin. You know? Like usually, I would pick a sign. If the angels show me the sign, it would mean "yes." Maybe I should focus on a sign the angel could give me. Likewise, I could just keep meditating. I may not be able to fully live the lifestyle, but I could at least meditate regulary. Maybe I would benefit somewhat from it.

[Spraypaint]

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I don't understand. I've felt so much pain in my life that I've tried to separate myself from my emotions.

Not possible, considering you are a human being. Emotions are part of being human. They cannot be separated from you. They are like that puppy who does you a lot of good if you take good care of them and pay attention to them, but stuff them under the porch, pretend they don't exist, they turn ugly, mean, even violent. Both cases they are still going to be there. Its possible to make the puppy reformed after being neglected, but its going to hurt. Its going to fight the process. Yet it is a good hurt, compared to the crippling effect of leaving it stuffed and unacknowledged under the porch the rest of your life. Its a sure way to make that puppy turn into a monster capable of tearing apart the house.

What I mean is you conjure up an emotion, desire and intent, then project it outside of you, give it shape and form. What emotions do you feel when working with the angels? Make note of it. Try calling forth based on the emotions you get over the name. This is how I understood what people meant when they discussed it.

Now the following is based on my current understanding and skill level. Which seems you've may have surpassed in some ways.

An invisibility spell or working with Saturn
might help. Saturn is supposed to be used to set boundaries. Invisibility spells are used to make you less noticeable.

As for visualization? It depends what you are working with. I found out being more in tuned with my emotions, makes it easier to conjure up visions so to speak. Whats a painting with no soul, let alone feeling?

The other thing about emotions is based on my experiences, the type of spirit that comes to you is drawn to the type of emotions and energy you put out. So if one is in knots emotionally (despite being aware of it or not) then it will prevent nice spirits coming, but more predatory ones will be more likely present.

The only book I've been working with is Rufus Opus's Angel Grimoire. I can't vouch for it myself, since I've yet to get angels to respond (I'm new to evocation and it takes a bit to acquire the skill), but I heard it has great reviews and I know the setup is very simple. Another thing I been working with is a magic mirror. I put the sigil behind the pane, and gaze into the glass (which has been painted black) in hopes of calling up the spirit of the sigil. Once again, I am just starting out, but it seems you may get results out of it.

Tell you what, I'll give you my email. I been wanting to start a group on working with angels, and it would be great to have you aboard. It seems I could learn a lot from you.

Here it is:
pancaker9@hotmail.com

I'd prefer PMs, but due to the new changes with the forums software, every time I think it gets cleared up, something new happens which prevents me from using it. So I'm going to rely on emails instead until all the kinks are worked out.

I also have a copy of "Hands on Chaos Magic" if interested.

[HelloKitty]

Spraypaint, on 05 March 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

What I mean is you conjure up an emotion, desire and intent, then project it outside of you, give it shape and form. What emotions do you feel when working with the angels? Make note of it. Try calling forth based on the emotions you get over the name. This is how I understood what people meant when they discussed it.

Now the following is based on my current understanding and skill level. Which seems you've may have surpassed in some ways.

An invisibility spell or working with Saturn
might help. Saturn is supposed to be used to set boundaries. Invisibility spells are used to make you less noticeable.

As for visualization? It depends what you are working with. I found out being more in tuned with my emotions, makes it easier to conjure up visions so to speak. Whats a painting with no soul, let alone feeling?

The other thing about emotions is based on my experiences, the type of spirit that comes to you is drawn to the type of emotions and energy you put out. So if one is in knots emotionally (despite being aware of it or not) then it will prevent nice spirits coming, but more predatory ones will be more likely present.

The only book I've been working with is Rufus Opus's Angel Grimoire. I can't vouch for it myself, since I've yet to get angels to respond (I'm new to evocation and it takes a bit to acquire the skill), but I heard it has great reviews and I know the setup is very simple. Another thing I been working with is a magic mirror. I put the sigil behind the pane, and gaze into the glass (which has been painted black) in hopes of calling up the spirit of the sigil. Once again, I am just starting out, but it seems you may get results out of it.

Tell you what, I'll give you my email. I been wanting to start a group on working with angels, and it would be great to have you aboard. It seems I could learn a lot from you.

Here it is:
pancaker9@hotmail.com

I'd prefer PMs, but due to the new changes with the forums software, every time I think it gets cleared up, something new happens which prevents me from using it. So I'm going to rely on emails instead until all the kinks are worked out.

I also have a copy of "Hands on Chaos Magic" if interested.

Whenever I am angry, feeling pain or greatly upset. The angels calm me down. ESPECIALLY when I'm reading a list of Angel names. In theory, the Angels are always with you. And the Angels can speak to you. By speak to you, I mean it goes back to how the Kabbalists says that our souls are divided into 4 parts. When an Angel speak, ofc we can't hear them, but I'm pretty sure that our souls can. I believe that when you talk to angels when you are upset, then they have the ability to have a chit chat with your soul. You can't hear them, but your soul can. I don't know what the angels have said to my soul to calm me down. But I'm guessing it has something to do with my Higher Self, since my Higher Self is me.

Your second paragraph sounds like Chaos Magic. I really don't know. The emotions I feel prior to talking with Angels could interfere with the Angelic feelings. But I can tell when an Angelic presence is in the room. Sometimes. When an Angelic presence is in the room. It's REALLY hard to put it into words. You really need to just experience for yourself. It's like describling the color Blue to a blind person. It's just something I can't put into words. But like, when I follow Doreen Virtue's advice and think to Michael,"Cut the cords of negativity that is draining my vitility." I could feel somebody touching my forehead. If feels like, umz, Do you know where your third eye is? It feels like somebody is touching me there. It's hard to explain how an Angel feels like when he's touching you.

I don't think I have surpassed you. I think it's just in an Angel's nature to work fast no matter a person's skill level. Like, when, umz, have you ever heard of The Lucky Mojo??? They have a forum and they give lots of advice. It seems like it is normal for Angels to work within a week. A lot of people who have NO magical experience at all would see results in like 10 days. I am talking about people who have NEVER practiced magic. First time, and they would see some results. Even when reading Psalms, which is another Hoodoo thing. Many people don't even know it's Hoodoo, but they would use it and see results. I just think it's an Angel thing.

I try to be cautious when it comes to books. I don't buy Grimoires and I don't use Enochian magic. Again, a person I trust advise me against it. and I had a bad vibe reading books on Enochian magic. It just doesn't seem reliable. Like Angels would NEVER tell you to swap wives.

My method works for me, so I'm happy with it and I have no intentions of changing it. Not really, I just call upon the Four Arch Angels. Jesus Christ above me. Samael below me. and the Angel that could help me with my situation. To "dismiss" them. I would just thank them, instead, and say,"Guide my way and light my path." And I've gotten results within a week. But sometimes it's longer, depending on the situation. But it's understandably longer. Like, I wouldn't except it to be quick.

I have my own Hold on Chaos Magic" book. I think I'll use it to help me with visualization and meditation. But I think Doreen Virtue is amazing. Like she had advice that I could really use. and I honestly think that her book How To Hear Your Angels is a MUST HAVE. I personally believe that anybody who's interested in working with Angels should have a copy. Because she has given me advice that I benefited from. Like when she wrote that Chamuel is great for bringing new friends into your life. I have benefited from that. Thank you very much, but I don't know what use I could be since working with Angels is easy. No matter what books says, you don't need to buy a gazillion items and do some crazy ritual. For me, K.I.S.S. has ALWAYS worked best. Keep It Simple. That's the way you could focus on the necessarily change, instead of obsessing like crazy on getting it perfect. I've tried to use those fancy rituals, and they have given me no results at all because I was too busy trying to be perfect. When I kept it simple, my results were STRONG because I wasn't being frantic about making everything perfect. When it comes to angels, I don't think anybody could go wrong. The only thing I would recommend is to always call upon for four main Arch Angels. For me, I get better results walking around the room drawing a pentagram from each direction and calling Angelic Names, than standing as a cross and doing the Kabbalah:

Before me Ra pha el
Behind me Ga bri el
At my right hand Mi cha el
At my left hand Au ri el etc

For me, doing it that way, I couldn't feel their energies. But when I actually walked and drew a pentagram at the Four directions calling upon the Arch Angels. That is when their energies were more noticeable and I could tell that they were in the room. But, that's just me though.

[Riva626]

I have to agree. I was obssessed with Goetia, when i first got into the occult. But after several nasty experiences (mainly through dreams) i decided to switch to angels instead. They are far more willing to help, and simply put just nicer. When i need strength i need only pray (which is meditative in it's own way) and ask God for Michael's assistance in things which he can help me with, or i focus on Michael's sigil for a minute or two. It's simple but works a treat and im sure it'd be the same for any of the angels.

Time permitting, i hope to perform one of the rituals from the grimoire of Armadel. I know you said you like to keep things simple, but this grimoire has all the sigils of the main angels. They could be useful to you.

[Spraypaint]

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Your second paragraph sounds like Chaos Magic

Its something others advised to do when I can't do the more expensive rituals. Its simpler and might fit your situation.

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But I can tell when an Angelic presence is in the room. Sometimes. When an Angelic presence is in the room. It's REALLY hard to put it into words.

I've not dealt with Angels, but I know the presence of a spirit when I feel it.

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A lot of people who have NO magical experience at all would see results in like 10 days. I am talking about people who have NEVER practiced magic.

I think contacting spirits various from person to person not because its things they have to learn, but more of a matter of what needed to be unlearned.

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I could feel somebody touching my forehead.

I've had spirits touch my third eye. Not always pleasant. Depends on the spirit.

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Thank you very much, but I don't know what use I could be since working with Angels is easy. No matter what books says, you don't need to buy a gazillion items and do some crazy ritual.

I'm in a similar situation where less is more. I don't give things I am not in the process of using, or unable to use.
I also tend to invent many rituals more then use ones out of the books I own.

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instead of obsessing like crazy on getting it perfect.

What I understand is magic is merely shifting and changing beliefs. The stronger the belief one has that something will happen, the more likely it will happen. One means to change a belief is to work very, very hard for a goal. I think thats the purpose of drawn out rituals.

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when I kept it simple, my results were STRONG because I wasn't being frantic about making everything perfect.

Its good you found something that works for you. Keep with it.

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If feels like, umz, Do you know where your third eye is?

Yes I do. I had it open once. All it took was to sing along a song at the same time, every day, putting all my emotion into it. I wasn't even trying (nor intending) to open my third eye. It just happened. It feels as if something (like an eye ball twitch).

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I personally believe that anybody who's interested in working with Angels should have a copy. Because she has given me advice that I benefited from.

While it is nice that Doreen Virtue's work has helped you, what I am offering you is the chance to work with those who have a similar interest. I'm trying to create a hobby group, both online and where I live.

The idea of it is have those interested in magic of similar skill level to learn from each other, and grow from the experience.

[ChaosTech]

You can be an angel too! Just visualize your astral body as being a duplicate image of you, but with wings. You then can have some pretty amazing experiences flying around the heavens, alone or with other angels.

Everone knows the pros of angels but the cons can be: snobbiness, racism (or more accurately speciesism), naivety, no understanding for lower level cosmic life as being harder to overcome and more limited, prideful, and servantile ego to god(s), or divine in general.

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HelloKitty, on 05 March 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

She'll get over me? She's been stalking me since 2009. Why else would I ask for Angelic help??? and to answer your question. Would you like to be stalked?

hehehe...DK...plain weird

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ChaosTech, on 06 March 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

You can be an angel too! Just visualize your astral body as being a duplicate image of you, but with wings. You then can have some pretty amazing experiences flying around the heavens, alone or with other angels.

Everone knows the pros of angels but the cons can be: snobbiness, racism (or more accurately speciesism), naivety, no understanding for lower level cosmic life as being harder to overcome and more limited, prideful, and servantile ego to god(s), or divine in general.

wow, nice. how do you mean speciesism?

[mrblack]

I find working with demonic and angelic beings has their pros & cons.

Demonic entities will get the job done, with a price and no matter what (even if it F*s you up)
Angelic entities will also do the job but a different set of variables runs through their process.

I prefer working with Angelic entities & Saints recently.
Haven't really done much work with Demonic beings as of late.

[HelloKitty]

mrblack, on 06 March 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

I find working with demonic and angelic beings has their pros & cons.

Demonic entities will get the job done, with a price and no matter what (even if it F*s you up)
Angelic entities will also do the job but a different set of variables runs through their process.

I prefer working with Angelic entities & Saints recently.
Haven't really done much work with Demonic beings as of late.

Yeah. I got f*ed up XD But the job that I wanted, didn't get done. They did their performance, but not in the way I intended.
Ah! When it comes to angels. I think they just work with real life limits. Like if you like a girl, an Angel would probably talk to her Higher Self
to see if she's available and compatible. It's like a lot of variables in real life takes place. So, I could understand that they would be slower at somethings
because they can't interfere with a person's free will. But they can guide a person to you. I believe they do this by talking to a person's Higher Self.
Like I asked Chamuel to attract a friend into my life because I needed to learn something. and well, it happened. I had to put some work in it. I mean, I couldn't
sit around and do nothing and expect a friend to follow into my life. But yeah, it took a month for her to help me. But, I understand the situation. I understand
that people aren't eager to help strangers. An Angel would have to work within a person's limitations. Again, I honestly believe that Angels talk to people's Higher
Shelves. So like, a person may feel compelled to talk to you.

Do you have a list of each Saint and what they could do? I think Lucky Mojo has a nice list. Catholic websites are. Well, a lot of them talk about the life and the history of the Saints
And websites that do help with Saints, well, their page seems to be unorganized, imo. It would be nice to find a good website that could be of real help.

[HelloKitty]

Riva626, on 06 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

I have to agree. I was obssessed with Goetia, when i first got into the occult. But after several nasty experiences (mainly through dreams) i decided to switch to angels instead. They are far more willing to help, and simply put just nicer. When i need strength i need only pray (which is meditative in it's own way) and ask God for Michael's assistance in things which he can help me with, or i focus on Michael's sigil for a minute or two. It's simple but works a treat and im sure it'd be the same for any of the angels.

Time permitting, i hope to perform one of the rituals from the grimoire of Armadel. I know you said you like to keep things simple, but this grimoire has all the sigils of the main angels. They could be useful to you.

OMG! I agree with your comment so much. I was also highly obsessed with the Goetia. When I got in the Goetia stuff, I couldn't help but be compelled and obsessed with these spirits. Probably by their own doings >_> Though, "Fallen Angels" have been a LOT more helpful. Like Satan and Lucifer. Like I would ask Satan for a day off work, and Satan would help. I would ask Satan a high school in school, and I would get it. "Fallen Angels" tend to work a lot better than Goetia. Then again, I've always asked for practical things. Like wanting to get out of work early. or a new job. But the bad thing about Satan is. OK. Pros and Cons. Pro: Satan is FAST Con: He could give some mean, nasty, nightmares.

I have gotten nightmares from Satan. Seeing my mother in a form of a scary monster. Like one eye here, another eye there, a wide mouth, chasing after me with a knife!!!! Or chasing after me as some other human-monster in a library for me to run like crazy to get away from him. But the earliest dream I had of Satan, he was a beautiful, blond, long-hair Angel in white robes who was in charge of Hell. and basically he spanked me in Hell. and when I woke up I felt the burns from where he spanked me. I felt the burns for about an hour of two. Satan gave fast results, and desireable results, too. But I HATED working with him because of the nightmares he gave. Satan KNOWS how to terrorize people in their dreams. That's a talent of his. My dreams haven't killed me, yet. I'm just saying, he has probably given me the scariest dreams of my entire life. Dreams where he is coming after me in full force, dreams that I would NEVER forget.

But yeah, Angels are far more willing to help and just plain nicer. Thank you for your advice ^^