HELP! Kundalini Yoga and the Magnetic Problem
#1
Posted 17 April 2011 - 11:02 AM
When practicing Kundalini Yoga, the use of the root lock allows to mix reproductive energy along with the kundalini energy that moves up the spine. This leads to ENORMOUS magnetism and in consequence, the people around you tend to be either attracted or intimidated.
I reasoned that it had something to do with the aura. Also, nobody can keep eye contact with me except those that are really close to me, and probably got used to my aura and its expansion in a gradual way by being around all the time. And even then, I can sense when my magnetism is affecting them. I've done a million tests, and there's no doubt about it: the reproductive energy that mixes with prana is the cause for magnetism. This is also what people call charisma, I guess.
But then, that leads to a problem. I want it to stop. I can't walk around on the streets unnoticed, and I can't take public transport without everyone staring at me or pointedly avoiding to. It's really uncomfortable. When someone starts a conversation with me, it's more often than not because of this same magnetisam, because I haven't been getting that kind of treatment from people before beginning Yoga.
So how do I continue my Yoga, while shutting off my magnetic presence at will? Do I have to somehow find a way to shut off my aura's emanations? Or is there some other way? I would really like to know how all you other kundalini Yoga practicionners cope with this, because it's really becoming problematic. Thanks!!
#2
Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:22 PM
This energy will raise your kundalini but the exciting energy also transmutes into your aura.
You could try after you done the kundalini meditation to take 10 minutes to calm down your
energy with a relaxation meditation and transmute this into your aura to get into a balanced state.
#3
Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:50 PM
Too bad I don't study yoga, so that's how I can help. But I plan to someday.

#4
Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:10 PM
P.S: It's strange that nobody else seems to have had this problem before me. Surely I can't be the only one who practices kundalini yoga on this forum, so is it that other people don't notice the increase in magnetism that comes with kundalini yoga, or do others simply enjoy, or don't mind being the center of attention? Not that I'm condemning anyone here. People can cope with these matters with varying levels of success so I can understand them being at ease with the increased attention. But NOBODY being uncomfortable with it? It's just weird... Or am I the weird one? .......
#5
Posted 17 April 2011 - 09:04 PM
PyrKorwin said:
Too bad I don't study yoga, so that's how I can help. But I plan to someday.
What you describe was my firs action and it worked. However the compression of my aura was uncomfortable and being constantly aware of holding up a shield also created a blocking of those things I would like to experience.
I’m a high sensitive and although picking up al these energy’s from the people around me is tiring it also helps my relationships and benefits my communication skills.
I found out balancing my energy to be strong stable and confident is more helpful to me.
The only time I use protecting my aura is when I sense I’m being attacked/drained by someone. And if I don’t want to be noticed I retract my aura within my body bud its as I said uncomfortable.
#6
Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:20 AM
#7
Posted 26 April 2011 - 06:26 PM
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
But then, that leads to a problem. I want it to stop. I can't walk around on the streets unnoticed, and I can't take public transport without everyone staring at me or pointedly avoiding to. It's really uncomfortable. When someone starts a conversation with me, it's more often than not because of this same magnetisam, because I haven't been getting that kind of treatment from people before beginning Yoga.
So how do I continue my Yoga, while shutting off my magnetic presence at will?
HAHAHAHA... This is the stuff that gets guru in trouble. Heheheh. Combined with a Messiah's Complex, this charismatic effect that's a natural byproduct of cultivation starts reinforcing some weird habits.
I guess "ride it out" isn't very helpful nor pointing out that there's a reason people joke about "Kundalini survivors". Heheheh.
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You're definitely not alone, though there are other forums dedicated to Kundalini syndomes.
You can try this but I have no idea how well it'd work for you. Balance out the upward and outgoing flow of energy with a downward flow of energy through your feet. Think of it it like a ballast: hot air is rising to push a balloon up, and the ballast submerges below the ground that cancels it out. Net effect is that it looks "normal". With fine enough sensitivity and control, this mutual cancellation should make you more invisible. [thread=10471]More details here[/thread].
Your comment on one-pointed concentration is probably a good hint. I don't know if you noticed how energy flows with your attention, and when your attention latches on to something or someone, the charismatic affect follows. If you let your attention and intent sink below your feet, as if it were heavy and acts as ballast, you should be able to float through crowds without anyone noticing.
There's another method, but I have not fully explored it yet. It involves perceiving "empty space".
Ultimately though, experiencing that discomfort is part of the cultivation too. Think of it more of, the Hungry Ghosts embedded within the unawakened and confused for Spirit finds a nice tasty meal. (Rabies is afraid of water, and so their hosts have an irrational fear of water). Bringing in the enlightening truth that all things are impermanent tends to drive off some, and rescues others. Though it's nice to go live out in a cave for a while.
One last thing: prana (qi) + reproductive essence (jing) has much better uses than Jedi mind tricks.
Namaste
#8
Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:12 PM
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What Messiah's complex? And what weird habits?
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If I can "ride it out" as you say, then it implies that at some point the magnetism will fade away on its own. Or do you mean that i'll simply get used to it? And what do you mean by "kundalini survivors"? It just sounds plain scary.
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What I meant with my comment on one-pointed concentration was that if I have to picture an energetic shield around my body, a shield that somehow prevents my aura from emanating and being noticed by others, then the effectiveness of such a shield will be proportional to how clearly I can visualize it, which is not all that well, considering that I'm lousy at one-pointed concentration.
Anyways, that being said, I'll try the grounding and see how it works out. To summarize, I guess what I have to do is picture those magnetic emanations, gather them at a specific point in my body, and send them through my feet into the ground. Right?
And what "Jedi Mind tricks" are you talking about?
Edited by Shadow-Gnostikoi, 27 April 2011 - 09:44 PM.
#9
Posted 28 April 2011 - 07:59 AM
#10
Posted 28 April 2011 - 01:45 PM
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
Charismatic effect tends to make believers out of people around you. Those people who don't have their own practice start worshiping you. You in turn start believing in your own kool-aid and think of yourself as a god or a messiah, which then reinforces the intent that gets amplified by Shakti. Non-believers get pushed out, and you eventually lead a cult. Then you do something crazy thinking it is divinely inspired like mass suicide, pedophilia, or passing AIDs around to your followers because you believe Kundalini negates HIV. Lest you think I'm joking (which I am, but not), all of those things have happened with actual guru before.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
That's funny. This has always been a part of the experience. What's even funnier is that if you don't know how to deal with your anxiety, your anxiety gets amplified. Sometimes it is all in your head and you go crazy. Sometimes the anxiety comes looking for you. In the martial arts world, this is a form of Martial Arts Madness. I don't know who is guiding you with your yoga practice, but your preliminary yoga practice should have the "safety valve" practices associated with it, including how to deal with anxiety before you ignite Shakti.
I'm not sure why you've never heard of the term, 'Kundalini survivor'. (That was a hint. You were supposed to use Google. This this the last time I point out hints; many sources are structured like this, with double- or triple- meanings and no one is going to spoon feed you those things). You are in fact very lucky if you've managed to ignite shakti on your own. But if you are doing this as part of a deliberate practice, didn't you see the warning labels? "Warning: You will no longer be able to hide from yourself." "Warning: Your life will change out of your comfort zone." "Warning: HOT, DO NOT TOUCH OR SPILL".
A lot of people know that most ancient Chinese curse by now, "May you live in interesting times." Less well-known is, "May you find what you are looking for." But the truly obscure one must have been spoken by K survivors, "May you know who you truly are." Looks like you found what you are looking for.
In any case, I've written general advice for riding out the K. It was written for people who lucked out on the conditions necessary to igniting Shakti, but have education or grounding in how it works. I advise you to read this and seek this out.
It is possible to ignite Shakti with minimal side-effects. That's what the traditional trainings are for. Assuming you didn't skip ahead and pick out one piece of the practice and start obsessively practicing it without working on the "basics".
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
I know what you meant. You know what I meant. z0b sees what I meant.
Your inability to hold a visualization of a shield does not enter into it. It's your lack of mindfulness. Stray thoughts come in and get amplified by shakti. That leaks out. These things has always leaked out, but the charismatic effect amplifies them to noticeable levels. You're better off continuing your yoga practices that include some form of mindfulness.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
No. That is not what I wrote.
Did you actually read it?
You assumed I'm writing about the popular notions of "grounding" and then substituted that understanding on top of mine's. (Not being able to see reality for what it is with Shakti coursing through you leads to very ... interesting times). You can try your method though. It might work for you.
z0b said:
In the method I mentioned, you're not throwing them out so much as submerging them below ground where most people don't look. I suppose tame animals tend to ignore it too. But yes, having enough mindfulness not to let random thoughts stray out is better. Though holding your thoughts on the inside with Shakti cooking makes for a bad recipe.
Namaste
#11
Posted 28 April 2011 - 09:14 PM
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I HAVE read a lot about kundalini syndromes, but all I read up on were the more "clinical" side-effects resulting from kundalini arousal, such as madness and so forth. But beyond that, I hadn't read of the problems that come with increased magnetism. Guess my research wasn't deep enough.
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It's not so much anxiety but a form of sadness borne from the (mistaken?) point of view that I am deceiving people into seeing me as something that I'm not. Therefore, the so-called "Messiah's complex" definitely won't apply to me, because no matter how much praise I should receive from people, I KNOW that it's UNIQUELY because of Shakti.
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Well, in case if it isn't obvious by now, NOBODY is guiding me through this. I ignited Shakti on my own, and I therefore have no sort of Guru whatsoever.
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I guess I'm extremely lucky then. Yes I saw all those warnings. But the problem is that I saw them AFTER Shakti was already awake. It happened this way: I read the "kybalion" a year ago, the occult book that is closest to my heart (my first occult book since "mystery of the cathedrals" by fulcanelli, that I had read in High school and barely understood), and through subsequent research, I came across "The hindu yogi science of breath" and practiced the exercises given within. The author only emphasized the health aspects related to the breathing practices given therein and mentionned absolutely NOTHING about an energy called kundalini.
The fact that I have a slim constitution (I believe it's a factor that facilitates kundalini) and the fact that i was fasting at the time when I practiced the exercises, ensured the arousal of kundalini. But it absolutely wasn't my intention. I came to recognnize it as such through subsequent readings, and then decided that since it was awake in me, I might as well try to control it, but if I had known that it was so dangerous, I wouldn't have awakened it in the first place. I've read enough occult litterature to know how dangerous it is (some books are just out there to scare you, I swear). I tried to catalogue the occult books I have on my laptop, and I stopped counting at 200 books. I've read like 50 out of all those (cover to cover), and I've flipped through countless books looking for "something". So I'm well-versed in occult litterature. "Armchair Magician" is a term perfectly suited for me I guess (for now).
That been said, I'm still happy I can manipulate kundalini today. It has stimulated my intellect to a level that I thought was beyond my reach, and it's growing everyday (amongst other reasons).
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I know none of these sayings. Which books are they from? The closest thing that I know, and that I've been telling myself my whole life is: "Careful what you wish for. It might come through." It's even funnier because my whole life, I've wanted to be noticed by people, and I've wanted the supernatural to be real. Both have been answered, but somehow, I can't cope with it. lol for all it's worth...
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Yeah, in my case the side-effects were indeed minimal, or rather nonexistent. I did have a period whereby my emotions were under poor control, and when my negative attributes were inordinately enhanced (I'm still trying to cope with the latter aspect), but besides that, nothing worth mentionning, apart, of course, from the magnetic problem.
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The thing is that, it doesn't matter WHAT i'm thinking about, I get the same reactions around me. That's why I believe it to be purely a problem that deals with energies rather than something that my thoughts can influence. The energies we emanate will keep emanating, no matter our frame of mind. I guess that's the concept behind the aura (somewhat simplified of course, but you get the drift).
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Did you actually read it?
You assumed I'm writing about the popular notions of "grounding" and then substituted that understanding on top of mine's. (Not being able to see reality for what it is with Shakti coursing through you leads to very ... interesting times). You can try your method though. It might work for you.
Okay, let me put it another way. The INTENT has to be sent to the ground through the feet, right? I pictured it as energy emanating to simplify it, but I guess I understand what you meant. It's conscious awareness that is redirected and not energy per se.
Anyways, roger that!! I'll keep trying. Thanks again!!
#12
Posted 10 May 2011 - 02:49 PM
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
Glenn Morris. Martial Arts Madness. Morris's estate recently authorized a reprinting, so you can get a copy without paying stupidly-high prices for it. You might find his first book more informative though.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
If you like sociology, I suggest looking up the Gervais Principle. It is a very long read. Summed up, most civilized people ... in the Western world, and in the US in particular, interact with each other to help delude each other into thinking each is special (GameTalk). That's without Shakti. You add that into the mix and all sorts of things come crawling out of the cracks.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
Yep, that happens. Which is funny because there are people who actively seek out Kundalini and never get it while practicing. [thread=10469]These are notes I wrote down[/thread] from the Hoshinroshiryu lineage... well, one of the branch lineage at least. It describes the five conditions for a stable Kundalini awakening. I'd be curious to see how it matches with your experience.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
I don't know what you mean by "slim constitution". Fasting though, that certainly helps.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
I know. That's why I said being skilled at mindfulness helps. Stray thoughts, regardless of what you're doing, always leak out. Practicing stillness eliminates the stray thoughts. You end up with radiance without form.
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
Yeah, trying to force down energy that wants to come up is like forcing down a balloon full of air into the swimming pool. What you do instead is hang onto the ball and relax. Part of you sinks, and the balloon keeps you afloat. Real rooting is submerging of intent.
Submerging intent doesn't really make the intent go away. For some reason, people stop treating you like a person and start treating you like an object. I have a companion that's sensitive to "people", which we joke-called it "people sense". I can't sneak up on her unless I submerge that giddy, "heheheh, I'm sneaking up on you! I'm going to get you!" intent below my feet. Sometimes, it feels like I'm a tiny pimple attached to the vastness that is Earth. Sometimes, if I tune it right, people skirt around the border of that territory. There's a lot of different things to play with.
"Empty space" is different. That starts with perceiving the empty space around objects. It puts your foval (focused) attention on empty space, and the peripheral attention on the objects. It'll end up feeling like ... almost spatial-temporal echo location, works pretty well when you're driving through complicated traffic patterns (focus on the empty space between the moving cars, not the cars themselves). Or moving through a crowd. But the real trip is when, in that state, you realize that solid matter is an illusion and there are vast empty space between the molecules and molecules, atoms and atoms, subatomic particles and subatomic particles.
-Qaexl
#13
Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:05 PM
To A Fullness, I Have to Express, The Devi that I Hold Within...
#14
Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:06 AM
It is a typical strategy for mate-selection among animals to find a more robust mate more attractive. That's a sweeping generalization which wouldn't stand for five seconds in a serious discussion of mate-selection, but I am setting up an analogy here, so with the understanding that I am grossly simplifying, keep that point in mind.
Now, our social interactions are infinitely more complex than just finding the right someone else to make babies with. We have various social impulses, and many different kinds of things that we naturally look to other people to provide. Just as mate-selection applies various filters of attractiveness to assure healthy offspring, we evaluate those around us according to various criteria.
The grossly obvious ones become the things people cultivate as status symbols - wealth, great hair, trophy spouse et cetera. We're not really concerned with those (although the Charisma Effect can be abused to pursue those things as well, quite successfully, if one is clever and selfish and unaware of the availability of more interesting accomplishments). But there are also other traits that are less easy to put a finger on.
In a nutshell, then, the cultivation of the personal energies cause a change on those levels, so that people without being able to pin down what it is they notice, find themselves intrigued by a person who has cultivated their energy in that way. I would suspect that it lies in an unconscious desire to bring oneself into a similar state - that consciousness wants to evolve - to select for more successful awareness strategies - just as much as organisms do.
If that is the case, one might ask, then why aren't all of our leaders and bigwigs enlightened kundalini masters? Well, because other avenues of attainment show much more tangible rewards but still require a good amount of effort to cultivate. A person intent on becoming a cut-throat corporate lawyer isn't going to have time for kundalini work even supposing he were interested in that.
Or, there are easier ways of becoming the guy with great hair who drives a BMW than cultivating Kundalini, if the hair and the BMW are what you want. Likewise, if one has cultivated one's personal energies to that extent, there are far more rewarding things to do with that than squander it on great hair and expensive cars - although gurus of real attainment have inarguably back-slid into desiring such things and used their power of personality to get them.
"There is a crack, a crack through everything. That is how the light gets in." -- Leonard Cohen
#15
Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:42 AM
But I was also wondering if it might be something on a hormonal level, like pheromones or something. After all, with the Ambrosia that flows down the throat during Kundalini practice, it is obvious that there is some biological something going on. We know that the 7 chakras parallel the 7 glands of the body, so we are probably stimulating them. So what else might we be stimulating, that others can notice, but not by ordinary sensory means? I know pheromones use smell, but there might be other processes that use stuff like body temperature, for instance.
I just want to understand how moving energy within your body can make someone turn around and look at you. What has he/she perceived? And in what way?
To A Fullness, I Have to Express, The Devi that I Hold Within...
#16
Posted 06 October 2011 - 02:36 AM
"Namaste. The Divine in me recognizes the Divine in you."
-Qaexl
#17
Posted 06 November 2011 - 02:24 PM
Shadow-Gnostikoi said:
You are a magician there are stages on any new turn of the wheel which are magnetic and others which are electric. There are times when we walk onto a bus and people want to just tell us there life story and they feel we are charismatic even when we are tired and wanting to be alone. No peer of mine has not felt this at one time.
But as a magician you can shield. You can also make yourself seem invisible in a large crowd. Intuit methods of your own or try this one by Robert Bruce;
Extend your aura so that it becomes thin and wide and encompasses everyone as far as you can see then draw your feelers and your perception inward and look down at the floor as you walk.Then as you pass by they don't even glance.
And you could draw electric fire energy into the body through the feet up to the perineum to the heart to the crown this will neutralise the magnetic self.
And when the body is magnetic the chakras are lunar too. If you open them like a door from the left side to the right one at a time from the crown to the root you will become electric and solar again.
#18
Posted 12 November 2011 - 04:37 PM
To A Fullness, I Have to Express, The Devi that I Hold Within...
#19
Posted 15 January 2012 - 08:08 AM
Yogis who wish to obtain a supernatural powers, and another life in a spiritual worlds do meditation only a one chakra. Mostly the chakra Anahata for a many years. Only this way awaken in the chakra hidden powers and powers of the lower chakras are then assigned themselves. But, they do not awake Kundalini.
About three months concentration to Ajna chakra and then a yeras meditation to Anahata.
See you Shiva samhita, Gheranda samhita, Sat chakra nirupana, by A. Avalon, The serpent power and Chinese Alchemy book, The secret of the Golden flower, translation by R. Willhelm. The Heaven heart in The secret of the Golden Flower is the Ajna Chakra in Yoga and a Fleshly heart in The secret of the Golden Flower is the Anahata chakra in Yoga.
Several texts recomended concentartion about the chakra Ajna only. But, there is a great danger of self-destruction the yogi, who done it.
But currently have most of people only a few time, so, the second meditation, to Anahata chakra with follow the breath you can do before a bedtime, because of what do you think beföre bedtime, keep your mind for whole night.
All text are freely on the net mostly in PDF.
Btw, spiritual alchemy do the same way. See also The book of Lambspring, figure III
http://www.levity.co...y/lambtext.html
In the Body there is Soul and Spirit
In old texts is the spirit between your eyes. The Heaven heart in The secret of the Golden Flower and in Yoga is in the chakra Ajna.
And soul in your breath, chakra Anahata in yoga.
#20
Posted 18 January 2012 - 02:23 PM
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