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[Darkwater]

I like this guy.Not only is the Greek word taken from *mither tongue Scots*,the Royal language of the Scots named the mediterranean aboriginals Greek.The travelling language of the barbarian abroad,which developes as it still does today as things are noticed or invented,is Inglis.


http://video.google....67376878&hl=no#

The Chief Cornerstone by Jordan Maxwell2:27:06 - 1 year ago
Jordan Maxwell continues as a pre-eminent researcher and speaker in the fields of secret societies, occult philosophies, and ufology since 1959. His work is not only fascinating to explore, but too important to ignore. There is a whole world of knowledge hidden from most people because most people can’t handle the truth. I wanted to know. That’s the difference. There are two kinds of things: The kind that you look up and the kind that you make up. Asking the right question is half way to finding the right answer. In the bible Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone the builders rejected. The chief cornerstone is the top of the pyramid. The word “Church” comes from: Comes from a Scottish word “kirk”. It goes back to a Greek goddess called Mother Circe. It becomes Mother Circ in Rome. The Templars took it to Scottland and called it Mother Kirk and the English call it Mother Church. According to Greek mythology Circe was able to hypnotize people with her magic and bring them into her house and close the door… and take from them their mentality and their brains and turn them into animals and eat them. And this is precisely what Mother Church has done. All over the world she has brought in people and took from them their mentality and intelligence and their natural ability to think and shut the door behind and now live off of them. Let me warn you that the same people who have given you Illuminati… who have given you your international banking cartels… who have given you your corrupt governmental systems, has also given you the Church. There is a story in the Bible… in the New Testament… called Christianity. It is a hidden story. It’s filled with symbols. It’s a metaphor. That is why the Bible is called the “biggest story ever told”. It’s just a story. But it is very interestingly woven… as to symbolics… metaphors. . Asking the right question is half way to finding the right answer.

[dnereb]

Its been years since I've been able to sit through a JM lecture, though he does have a new video out.. dawn of a new age. 'New age', 'new man', all favorite JM subjects. I sort of concluded by calling it 'christianism' and left it at that.

[sublimetruth_com]

People have questioned his credibility because of his fraudulent activities (FTC related)

[dnereb]

Ok, interesting, so the FTC is getting at JM personally .
Would you mind pointing to his lecture about International Driving Permits?

Nah I don't think so. I'm disappointed by the alleged scam connection (helleuh.. FTC!?) but this new 'IDP' thing has no bearing on his decades of lecturing.

People may question him because the way he comes across; oblique, suggestive.


Amendment: I should not have called him suggestive. I'll take that back, in fact I think he's a wonderful scholar.

And for the FTC thing, sublimethruth_com, the affidit is dated 2003 and has not been pressed since.
It looks to me like its now a racket for 'zionist' yelling 'signature christians' to derail JM related treads on the web.
Note there are non-IDP related complaints in the documents, regarding statements from BBCOA site (now defunkt, where the IDP's where sold) about the 'confidence game' played by bankers in credit card and money loan practices.
All in all very reminiscent of the alleged illegality of the private IRS operating as a federal organization, something JM also did his say about.

Perhaps that's something to put on your site. Or why not contact him yourself for a statement?

Edited by dnereb, 08 November 2010 - 06:02 PM.

[sublimetruth_com]

dnereb said:

Ok, interesting, so the FTC is getting at JM personally .
Would you mind pointing to his lecture about International Driving Permits?

Nah I don't think so. I'm disappointed by the alleged scam connection (helleuh.. FTC!?) but this new 'IDP' thing has no bearing on his decades of lecturing.

People may question him because the way he comes across; oblique, suggestive.


Amendment: I should not have called him suggestive. I'll take that back, in fact I think he's a wonderful scholar.

And for the FTC thing, sublimethruth_com, the affidit is dated 2003 and has not been pressed since.
It looks to me like its now a racket for 'zionist' yelling 'signature christians' to derail JM related treads on the web.
Note there are non-IDP related complaints in the documents, regarding statements from BBCOA site (now defunkt, where the IDP's where sold) about the 'confidence game' played by bankers in credit card and money loan practices.
All in all very reminiscent of the alleged illegality of the private IRS operating as a federal organization, something JM also did his say about.

Perhaps that's something to put on your site. Or why not contact him yourself for a statement?

Yes, I'm well versed on the IRS scheme as well. As for Maxwell's FTC event, are you suggesting he is innocent?

[dnereb]

I don't know, have not asked him about the matter. And I can hardly tell whether the FTC can make a solid case, given my location/education.

Are you asking whether I care if he may have ripped of people? I would be affected, yes.
If he made money in some clever scheme? Good for him, I don't care.

I'm just not sure what went on at this point.

[sublimetruth_com]

See Facts of http://www.ftc.gov/o...0617opinion.pdf

See Line 7 of the same document, his accomplice admits to the crimes.

See the following documents for screenshots of his website and advertisement claims
http://www.ftc.gov/o...nmaxwellcmp.pdf

Here is an archive of an affidavit posted by an anonymous writer on Russell Pine's website

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AFFIDAVIT

I wish my true name to remain unknown, and I will therefore use the name PUBLIUS for that reason.

I am a personal friend of Jordan Maxwell, whom I’ve known continuously since Friday, September 27, 1996. I have personal knowledge of the situation and the circumstances involving Vic Varjabedian, Jordan Maxwell, and BBCOA, as I was there personally for many events as an eyewitness. I would freely state the following under penalty of perjury.

On Friday, September 27, 1996, in Stanton, Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A., I first spoke to Jordan Maxwell via telephone while he was working as a researcher, author, lecturer, and speaker with Truth Seeker Company (SEE Internet: "Truth Seeker Company") in San Diego, California, U.S.A.

Beginning on Tuesday, February 11, 1997, I traveled from Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A. to San Diego, California, to meet Jordan Maxwell, which meeting occurred on Monday, February 17, 1997, in San Diego. Jordan Maxwell and I spent time at the Truth Seeker Company and in discussion at his apartment in the immediate vicinity/neighborhood provided Jordan Maxwell by Truth Seeker Company. Jordan Maxwell at the time was actively engaged in research for Truth Seeker Company.

I departed San Diego for Los Angeles, California, U.S.A., on Friday, February 21, 1997. I returned to Wilmington, Delaware, on Wednesday, March 5, 1997. Jordan Maxwell and I continued to communicate via telephone, and somewhere in the interim of my later returning to Los Angeles on Saturday, September 5, 1998, I learned Truth Seeker Company abruptly ended their association with Jordan Maxwell, leaving Jordan Maxwell under immediate economic harm, with threat of destitution looming, which forced Jordan Maxwell’s return to Los Angeles, California, under said economic harm, stress, and duress. Other parties to these events and Jordan Maxwell himself informed me it was under such economic harm, stress, and duress that Jordan Maxwell began his association with Vic Varjabedian of BBCOA sometime between Wednesday, March 5, 1997, and Saturday, September 5, 1998, Varjededian offering Jordan Maxwell his one-room office in Tarzana, Los Angeles, California, as a place for Jordan Maxwell to stay, research, and work because Varjabedian wanted to express gratitude to Jordan Maxwell for the personal benefits Varjabedian felt Jordan Maxwell’s life’s work and research personally provided Varjabedian. Varjabedian was extending himself to Jordan Maxwell as a personal benefactor in support of Jordan Maxwell’s research and life’s work. Varjabedian’s BBCOA was already in existence and operating under Varjededian’s direction, influence, and control for some time prior to Jordan Maxwell’s association with Varjabedian, and consequently BBCOA, Jordan Maxwell having nothing whatsoever to do with the founding, mission, business, policies, or operations of BBCOA, established and already set in motion some time prior to Jordan Maxwell’s association with Vic Varjabedian, and consequently BBCOA.

On Friday, August 28, 1998, I departed Wilmington, Delaware, for Los Angeles, California, arriving on Saturday, September 5, 1998. On Sunday, September 6, 1998, I made arrangements for living at Oakwood Apartments in Toluca Lake, Los Angeles, California, briefly returning to Wilmington, Delaware, on Wednesday, September 16, 1998, then returning again to Los Angeles on Friday, September 25, 1998, at which time I reestablished contact with Jordan Maxwell in Tarzana, Los Angeles, California, at the one-room office of BBCOA, the complete location being: Suite 213, 19562 Ventura Boulevard, Tarzana, [91356-6051], Los Angeles county, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A. I testify and state for the record Jordan Maxwell’s circumstances were far from opulent, his having to sleep on the floor, and Jordan Maxwell, a 57-year old man at the time, was under severe mental anguish and suffering economic harm and destitution, considering the loss of the means of acquiring the necessities required to sustain life given Truth Seeker Company’s abrupt severing of their relationship with Jordan Maxwell. My perception was Vic Varjabedian was only providing Jordan Maxwell with enough economic compensation to barely acquire the necessities required to sustain life.

Seeing the impoverished circumstances Jordan Maxwell was living under, I often took Jordan Maxwell out for meals with me, which I paid for, in September, October, November, and December 1998. I provided Jordan Maxwell with an additional several thousand dollars, also, to help support his life’s work and research. It was during this time, I began spending much time in the Tarzana office of Varjabedian’s BBCOA as Jordan Maxwell felt I was of use to him as a research assistant, given my computer and artistic skills. I was told I would be working for BBCOA under Vic Varjededian, and then my own economic woes soon began, as I never received any compensation for my services, which I provided to BBCOA, Varjabedian, and Jordan Maxwell, although, looking back, the fault was mine, as I never had any type of formal agreement with anyone. I was happy, although not wise, to just be of service and learning, functioning under what I now can see was a type of very informal internship, although I thought I’d eventually be paid. That never happened.

I continued assisting Vic Varjabedian, BBCOA, and Jordan Maxwell in the Tarzana office of Varjabedian’s BBCOA, eventually acquiring my own desk there, and bringing in my own computer equipment, under the understanding I would someday be paid for my services. That never happened, and my economic circumstances deteriorated to the point that on Tuesday, March 9, 1999, I no longer could pay the rent at Oakwood Apartments in Toluca Lake, Los Angeles, and I voluntarily left Oakwood Apartments. I lived in the Tarzana office of BBCOA briefly from Tuesday, March 9, 1999, through Monday, April 26, 1999. On Tuesday, April 27, 1999, I disassociated myself from BBCOA, and I departed Los Angeles, impoverished, to return to Wilmington, Delaware, where I arrived on Sunday, April 30, 1999. On Monday, July 26, 1999, I returned to Los Angeles, California, where I’ve been domiciled permanently ever since.

On Monday, July 26, 1999, immediately upon my return, I reestablished personal contact with Jordan Maxwell, who was still associated with BBCOA, but only as researcher and promoter of his life’s work, and nothing else. I visited the new office suite of BBCOA in Tarzana several times, which was across the street from BBCOA’s previous one-room office, although I no longer was associated with BBCOA, my understanding through Jordan Maxwell being Vic Varjabedian felt like I “had my chance,” and I abandoned BBCOA. I was never paid for my previous services, although previously I would occasionally receive a pittance of Varjabedian’s spare cash or loose change as a gift, but never anything that would obtain the necessities required to sustain life. Among other services, I provided BBCOA graphic artwork for promotion of several BBCOA products associated only with Jordan Maxwell’s work and nothing else. I received no recompense. Vic Varjededian was traveling in a white Mercedes Benz as of Monday, July 26, 1999. Jordan Maxwell had his own smaller office within the larger office suit of Varjabedian’s BBCOA, but Jordan Maxwell was not being paid enough money to live outside that office in a proper home or apartment is what I concluded based on what I saw, Jordan Maxwell living within that smaller office and sleeping on the floor. In short, I would classify Jordan Maxwell as being kept on Varjabedian’s economic leash and under Varjabedian’s economic control and thumb. I understood that Jordan Maxwell, then a 58-year-old man, endured these difficult circumstances because events forced him to consider this association with Vic Varjabedian, and consequently BBCOA, the only means available at such time to continue to promote his life’s work and research.

During this time, I was homeless and lived in my truck and an abandoned office in Tarzana, associating with Jordan Maxwell when I could, until I found proper shelter somewhere else in Los Angeles on Wednesday, August 4, 1999. I lived in poverty until I began working for UCLA on Monday, November 1, 1999.

On Friday, September 1, 2000, I was able to begin renting an apartment in Westwood, Los Angeles, California. I was working nearby at UCLA.

Given all the events and circumstance described above, I do not know when Jordan Maxwell was formally considered as being an associate of BBCOA, but it would have to be sometime after Friday, September 25, 1998, when I reestablished contact with Jordan Maxwell in Vic Varjabedian’s one-room BBCOA office in Tarzana, Los Angeles, California, and Thursday, January 16, 2003, when the Federal Trade Commission publicly released the following statement: “FTC Targets Sellers Who Deceptively Marketed International Driver's Permits over the Internet and via Spam,” naming Jordan Maxwell and Vic Varjabedian in the Central District of California, Western Division.

I afterwards learned from personal associates BBCOA was shutdown days prior by the Federal Trade Commission and the police.

It is my assertion based on my eyewitness and personal knowledge of the parties involved, this is a case of suspicion and guilt by association concerning Jordan Maxwell, as at no point in time did I ever personally witness or have personal knowledge of Vic Varjabedian ever allowing Jordan Maxwell to assert any influence, control, or direction over BBCOA’s business activities and policies, which had nothing at all to do with Jordan Maxwell’s life’s work as one of the world’s leading researchers, a life’s work already begun long before any association with Vic Varjabedian and BBCOA. Any association of Jordan Maxwell’s with BBCOA was solely to promote his life’s work and research, nothing else. I hereby unequivocally assert that it is my personally informed belief and understanding that any agreement between Vic Varjabedian and Jordan Maxwell never, under any circumstances, went beyond Jordan Maxwell providing his life’s work, speaking ability, and research materials for promotion by the BBCOA, from which Vic Varjabedian gained handsomely, and Jordan Maxwell, from what I’ve observed personally, has never received enough recompense from Vic Varjabedian to ever acquire a proper home or apartment to live in, Jordan Maxwell having to live in a small office and sleeping on the floor throughout his entire association with Vic Varjabedian and BBCOA, and I’ve never observed or personally known Jordan Maxwell to ever have received more than a small, very informal, casual allowance from Vic Varjabedian for food and miscellaneous expenses.

Jordan Maxwell has told me himself on occasion, the government personally spoke to him, and the government conceded they knew Jordan Maxwell had nothing to do with the activities that shutdown BBCOA, and that the government’s interest in Jordan Maxwell was solely to obtain information about Vic Varjabedian’s activities.

I, PUBLIUS, do hereby certify, attest, and affirm that I have read the foregoing and know the contents thereof and to the best of my personal knowledge, understanding, and belief is true, correct, complete, and certain, not misleading, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. This PUBLIUS accordingly does hereto assert this is a free and voluntary Act and Deed. Saturday, October 13, 2007.

PUBLIUS

http://web.archive.o....com/legal.html

It is no longer online since the page was deleted for some reason. However, I do not believe the anecdotal claims in light of the counter evidence presented. In addition, I would suspect an article asserting his innocence and I cannot comment on Russell Pine's financial circumstances.

[dnereb]

The two documents I had skimmed over, but the archived legal page is new to me.

The later does give some colour the personal experience, I appreciate that.
(I whish I could search the Web Archive on keywords but I can't figure that out, do you know?)

All in all it seems like a dark page for JM.

[dnereb]

Just stumbled on this, nice vid with some highlights and nice music. Not a whole lecture, just under 10 min.

The babylonian/sumerian word game & money, religion & organized crime, church & Circe, etc.

http://www.disclose....Jordan_Maxwell/

[sublimetruth_com]

dnereb said:

The two documents I had skimmed over, but the archived legal page is new to me.

The later does give some colour the personal experience, I appreciate that.
(I whish I could search the Web Archive on keywords but I can't figure that out, do you know?)

All in all it seems like a dark page for JM.

There's more info available on him but what's of import is the truth, not the messenger.