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Calea zacatechichi (Dream Herb)


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#1 Quetzalcoatl

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:33 PM

Discuss your experiences here.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 12:27 AM

Quetzalcoatl said:

Discuss your experiences here.

I can not tell about this. Cause I once could choose. Either this or some pieces of Silene capensis (Ubulawu) root. After a research (telling me the tea made of the Calea zacatechichi being soemwhat useless) I went with the latter.

Can tell you about that insted. Read on if you wish.
Since it goes with the "dream" supplements.

No good choice. It had to be grinded and mixed with warm water.
It tasted like... licking a piece of wood... basically.
It was said the effect should be cummulative. So even if the first few drinks
would not give the wanted effect it (the lucid dreaming) should come after a few days.

Never came. It even had a kind of reverse effect.
After a few days I didn't dream anymore. I just fell into a dark dreamless slumber.
After another few days I stopped. The stuff was disgusting and the effect was non-existend.

Maybe I had a "bad" root. Or I didn't honor the plant enough.
Got to admit I do not go well with ANY supplements.

Anyways. I went with some direct spirit contact insead.
Teaching me the methodes I needed to control my dreams. This also worked.

Hope this helped a bit.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:58 AM

Oh, thats a shame. I was looking forward to trying silene capiensis.

My experiences with Calaea have been varied:
start by boiling as much of the herb, strain and combine the washings. reduce the volume down as much as possible, chill, and consume in a shot glass as quick as possible (while holdiny your nose.) It tastes like plant-water.

Effects (for me) were vivid dream-imagery, above and beyond my normal dreams (which are fantastic anyway) and I became consious during. (lucid)

I would pick my friend up and we flew around in the sky doing loops, and I really felt my stomach turn like as If I were pulling G's.

I had full control in the dream, and was running around consious in there. In another dream, somebody punched me and when they hit me it was as if I were Neo and I was made of rubber. Then, when I punched them, It was as If I had the power of a tank, and the person was knocked back some distance and stunned.

I understand what your saying though, sometimes I just wake up with the sensation that whatever was occuring was totally wild but with no recollection of what happened. I think your dream recall has to be good and then the calaea increases the wildness factor.

It's probably the same with the Silene. Try again with it... And yes, the effect has to build up over about one week. The reports i've read say silene is quite potent, best of luck.

My advice? Worthwhile every now and again, especially if you have an active dream life anyway. Take it to boost an allready active dream-state.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 09:11 PM

Calea tastes like paracetamol.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 01:26 AM

Calea did absolutely nothing for me. Galantamine on the other hand always worked.

I tried the African dream root and several times. It gave me one weird, vivid as hell nightmare once, but otherwise nothing.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 01:01 AM

Using supplements and herbs that increase dreaming usually have the reverse effects on me except valerian root which doesn’t make much a difference. I naturally am a very strong dreamer and recaller, I just need something to boost lucidity. I’m going to try kava kava. But right now I’m also going the spirit route.

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 12:16 PM

Angelologist said:

Using supplements and herbs that increase dreaming usually have the reverse effects on me except valerian root which doesn’t make much a difference. I naturally am a very strong dreamer and recaller, I just need something to boost lucidity. I’m going to try kava kava. But right now I’m also going the spirit route.

What's the spirit route?

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Posted 03 May 2010 - 06:58 PM

Had to take very large capsulated doses of calea to get it to work. But found out that 1-5 oxazepam + 2 beers made all night become a lucid dream, easier and nicer and works better, except the short term memory takes a while to recover(for me atleast)...
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Posted 04 September 2010 - 12:28 PM

If you're looking to have extended, vivid dreams smoking nutmeg oil or ingesting a substantial amount of nutmeg before going to sleep has worked very well for me in the past.

I only recommend smoking the oil because of the unpalatable taste of ground nutmeg, but you can become accustomed to it.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 05:52 PM

I decided to give this another try last night. The first time I did it, I smoked a couple of bowls before bed and remembered zero dreams, even though I usually remember dreams. When smoked, it tastes and smells exactly like pot, so even though it's completely legal, I recommend smoking it in a place where you won't arouse anyone's suspicions.

Last night I poured about 8 ounces of hot water and tossed in a very generous pinch of the foliage. I let it steep for 3-4 minutes, then skimmed the foliage off the top (I need to get me some filters or strainers). It tasted so bad, but I didn't actually get nauseous. I took it around 11pm and hadn't eaten since, well, food at 6, dessert at 7. I gulped down a sip every minute or so, slowly relaxing as I sat up in bed. I read (on Wikipedia, lol - okay, but I read it elsewhere at some point too :)) that it's usually smoked after drank as a tea. Unfortunately smoking wasn't optimal, as my household is both anti-marijuana and anti-actually-practicing-witchcraft-as-opposed-to-only-treating-it-like-spiritual-philosophy. So I did what my stepsister used to do, in her old bedroom nonetheless: put a towel under the door and blew smoke out the window. XD I feel it would have been better to smoke without feeling jumpy and paranoid, and without jumping in the shower afterward to wash my hair lest it bequeath the smell upon the sheets and all hell break loose, but ah, mere setbacks. I think the tea would have worked just as well by itself, but the smoke did get the awful taste out of my mouth, so I'm glad I did it.

As I was falling asleep, my muscles were very relaxed and I found myself tuned in to my heartbeat, plus my pulse at various points in my body. It reminded me of a slowed down West African drumming as it might be heard underwater. I had what we can only assume are deep thoughts about blood and life and water. :3

Dreams were vivid, very tactile, and there were many moments in which I made a conscious choice and changed the dream, although I wasn't constantly lucid. As usual (meaning sans herbal help), I didn't dream much at first, and when I did start dreaming it didn't make much sense. I woke up just before dawn and went to the bathroom, which I took as a wonderful thing because usually waking a couple hours early and falling back to sleep increases the vividness and lucidity of dreams. This time was no exception. I had four distinct dreams and remembered details about them all, including those lucid moments of choice.

I want to do it again, just for a couple of nights, but thanks to vulnera I've been made aware that melons work just as well, and wouldn't be awkward at all in my parents' house. So we'll see. It probably depends on when they go to bed and how cheap I feel when it comes to buying groceries vs. using what I already have. ;)

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:41 PM

I believe you will achieve much better results with galantamine. It comes in a capsule and even if you don't become lucid, your dreams will be very vivid. I started a thread here: http://www.occultcor...amine#post55153

Also, have you tried experimenting with vitamin b6? It is cheap and also produces very vivid dreams at the proper dosage. Apple juice is also very popular among lucid enthusiasts, which makes sense since scientists theorize that it increases acetylcholine in the brain.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:06 PM

I guess "better" is subjective, depending on what you're shooting for: total lucidity? vivid dreams? simply remembering dreams? OOBE? I don't like apple juice (but these guys do!). I already take a vitamin B complex during fall and winter (orange pee ftw!), but I checked out your galantamine thread and it looks interesting. I would use dream herb again just to hear my pulse like that, although I'm sure it isn't necessary to take the tea in order to simply shift one's awareness. :)

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:35 PM

Rose said:

I guess "better" is subjective, depending on what you're shooting for: total lucidity? vivid dreams? simply remembering dreams? OOBE? I don't like apple juice (but these guys do!). I already take a vitamin B complex during fall and winter (orange pee ftw!), but I checked out your galantamine thread and it looks interesting. I would use dream herb again just to hear my pulse like that, although I'm sure it isn't necessary to take the tea in order to simply shift one's awareness. :)

When I took galantamine, I was shooting for total lucidity. Out of all the supplements that I have tried (there have been many more than have been mentioned in this thread), galantamine was the only one that worked for total lucidity.

I tried a calea extract from a good source on multiple occasions. It made me feel uncomfortable and I had trouble sleeping each time.

As to the B complex, are you taking it before bedtime? That is the time it would actually be effective. Also, you would want to make sure that it has 100mg of b6 in the tablet.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 02:39 AM

Not before, no - thanks for pointing that out.

With calea I didn't have trouble sleeping at all. I felt totally relaxed. I was already tired, and I don't tend to have trouble sleeping anyway, but in any case it didn't disrupt my sleeping. Different drugs for different thugs! (... Thugs? bah. rhymes.)

Galantamine quite frankly sounds awesome; I will definitely return to your thread and discuss more about it.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 06:17 PM

Whoof, this stuff tastes dreadful, Made some in a tea last night. Drank as much as I could (about twelve ounces), and noticed that it made me feel drowsy. When I shut my eyes I could see fairly distinct images and colors, but, alas, I could not recall my dreams at all this morning. Does anyone have any advice or strategies for use of the dream herb?





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