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[Appalachian Crone]

Satan thrives in churches. He loves to hang out there because that is where he finds his weakest believers, his regular sinners, his prey. He does not have to go searching for them...they are all gathered in one place and he can just hop from soul to soul and whisper a few things in their little heads to get them to start doubting God's love. He leads them into betrayal

How can you be sure it was not Satan who spoke to you? What you are saying does not sound like something a Christian God would say in a place built to worship him.

Think about it.

[Frater A.V.]

The God egregore's quite nasty. Your upbringing tearing you apart from the inside... Yuck! haha

[voidgazing]

Did I miss the details or did they just not get posted? I feel like we're talking about a movie we've never seen here.

[Isaac]

Amur said:

I didn't betray "God" but the other way around... All logical proof indicates it

And I think it's time for this "God" to go away so the true Divinity inside humanity could perhaps step forth...

So you wish for the absolute God to go away? So that the True Divinity inside humanity could take its throne?

[I'm inspired, so this next part might be high and haughty]

Do you not see friend? That this absolute god is the combined existence of all true divinity of human kind who have burned their cloths, known as incarnation, by the act of shining pure divine spirit through our soul! The Deitys of the christian, muslim, wiccan, pagan and many other faiths are but shadow to the absolute divinity of mankind? which is beyond reason and doubt.

I feel that this is not a question of GOD but rather of Death. I see you have many posts or ideas with claims that the world is in an awful state and death and suffering around every corner but as we are Spirits currently incarnated in a physical vessel, we have said vessel experience such sensations so they can be imprinted onto our "Spirit-Memory" and each of these sensations are like a note on the musical scale and we must eventually experience every one and learn it so we can then put it into practice and eventually create an experience which causes us to have the continous sensation known as "Harmony".

I feel this isn't a question of God betraying you but rather you fearing Death and looking for someone entity to help you out of said fear.

If you embrace and accept Death as "absolute" yet not eternal for you will incarnate again, you will have little to no worry of the world.

Also speaking in spiritual terms, Suicide and murder are not death for these are artificial process'es, True death is a natural occurence and will come when one's time is right.

[NovusEngel]

you keep going on about how God betrayed you... But still you have not explained how this happened?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Mind sharing?
Or is it too traumatic?
Just curious...

Miss.Nova

[Amur]

Frater A.V. said:

The God egregore's quite nasty. Your upbringing tearing you apart from the inside... Yuck! haha

I find it rather humorous to be honest

[Frater EST]

I am a christian and I have visited many(/subjective quantifier) churchs and they all have different feels. In many of them ive encountered or attracted Pseudo-divine entities. Of varying degrees of formation and potency.

If you remember the actual meaning of the prefix Anti- is "instead of" or a Substitute. I was just talking the other day about how what many people/christians worship is in fact a Idol in the true sense of the word. They are in a very real sense invoking their Anti-Christ/s (notice where this word occurs in the bible the plural is used occasionally).

These people can sit around and say "Lord-Lord" all they like, fooling everyone but themselves and Divinity that they really believe they are good and "They" are going to hell. Even the "miracles" those egregores do is not sufficient to close off that core bit of nagging conscience. http://www.biblegate...-23&version=NIV

Also the serpent is not given a TOTALLY bad rap, thats just the superficial picture but its much different in many gnostic and esoteric (some very traditional) strains of christianity. Besides the fact that this story isnt very well understood in the first place, there are things we just skip over because we get so familiar with it we dont think any deeper or notice a detail. Furthermore the first murder was Cain against Abel and it just went deeper still, where is the serpent here? It was sin embodied in Cain who intentionally chose it because he wanted to do it. Why varies, but it wasnt the devil in an animal this time.

There are subtler aspects to this than Serpent=Evil. The difficulty is actually not THAT much with the text so much as it is with superficiality, hypocrasy, ignorance, shoe-fitting and lack of Love. Especially IMO the last one. I am not however using rose colored glasses its quite depressing at parts. But then life was more barbaric then and you have to put yourself in their shoes and realize that the text does account for the non-ideal. I have used a few references so maybe you will be inspired too look again.

The quickest thread I would point you towards in talking about the positive side of the serpent is an incident in Exodus when the Israelites have been stricken with sickness. They are cured through gazing upon a serpent elevated upon a stick. There is also a kabbalistic manipulation that can be performed on the word NChSh-Snake in order to make MShICh-Messiah.

[TOLKA]

I wonder why im bothering but....

As you haven't specifically stated the christian God, perhaps when you are referring to 'the one true god' etc you are talking to a title that a false god may have been given. A lot of people have declared their God the one true God. The christians are no different. I do not know who the one true god is,it may or may not be christian, but i do this instead: Next time you pray,pray to the thing that 'created' 'you', and see what feeling you get back.In my experience it was like feeling a long lost friend. Typically speaking I should say that supposedly the christian god cannot talk to you as his voice would shatter you, so it could not have been him, i do not however believe he cannot talk to you, but i should state this anyway.

[Amur]

Frater EST said:

I am a christian and I have visited many(/subjective quantifier) churchs and they all have different feels. In many of them ive encountered or attracted Pseudo-divine entities. Of varying degrees of formation and potency.

If you remember the actual meaning of the prefix Anti- is "instead of" or a Substitute. I was just talking the other day about how what many people/christians worship is in fact a Idol in the true sense of the word. They are in a very real sense invoking their Anti-Christ/s (notice where this word occurs in the bible the plural is used occasionally).

These people can sit around and say "Lord-Lord" all they like, fooling everyone but themselves and Divinity that they really believe they are good and "They" are going to hell. Even the "miracles" those egregores do is not sufficient to close off that core bit of nagging conscience. http://www.biblegate...-23&version=NIV

Yeah noticed the same thing about different churches, the older ones (like 100-500 years old) can have quite rough vibes inside them. This experience did happen in a new church, but then again I started wondering that perhaps it's linked to a traumatical event that occurred to me while messing up with something that caused me to splinter like hell. Though I'm not entirely sure which came before, that traumatical splintering or the experience in the church, but it would atleast fall into a logical context if the splintering happened first and then these odd 'God experiences'...

The other thing I noticed which was a common meme inside that church and other churches was when they prayed to Jesus, their voices sounded very superficial, meaning that they unconsciously knew that there was no Jesus except the one they created inside their own mind which they were praying to. Tried praying to Jesus with an authentic voice and nothing happened Think that one needs to do the work oneself to be honest

TOLKA said:

As you haven't specifically stated the christian God, perhaps when you are referring to 'the one true god' etc you are talking to a title that a false god may have been given. A lot of people have declared their God the one true God. The christians are no different. I do not know who the one true god is,it may or may not be christian, but i do this instead: Next time you pray,pray to the thing that 'created' 'you', and see what feeling you get back.In my experience it was like feeling a long lost friend. Typically speaking I should say that supposedly the christian god cannot talk to you as his voice would shatter you, so it could not have been him, i do not however believe he cannot talk to you, but i should state this anyway.

Well I don't claim anything about the experience but the weird holy signals that came and the feeling of failure of my own life or something, traced it later to a trauma of myself, but a bit odd that it popped up like that and inside that context...

But to be honest I don't really care if it's God or not or what it is but started teaching it anyway as it needs proper guidance, as corny as it sounds if I meet God and notice certain flaws I start to teach it regardless of it's position or divinity, I'm not for hierarchies anyway so it fits my own paradigm quite well. As such I do not bow for anyone really unless my heart tells me to bow, regardless of how shiny, powerful or spectacular it is, or if it's called a prophet, God, Allah whatever... The whole mumbojumbo about God and alot of other things made me quite tired of the whole hierarchy in the first place and it's quite funny that someone or something would need me bow and pray when I don't do that to the planet and I still love the planet like hell and I feel that it loves me...

So I kinda left the whole praying context, as it seemed a bit stupid... I prayed as a child very much and became what I prayed for unconsciously which wasn't the point at all lol...

Well I doubt the christian God would shatter me, but would be fun if it did... After that I'd probably eat the christian God, burp, laugh and continue my dance

The one thing that created me was when my parents had sex in the first place, otherwise I don't remember being created. Even if I look inside it just says that I'm the friggin Creator in the first place and I'm like "mmm'kay sure". If I remember correctly I think this whole (material)universe was intended as somekind of child playground and the older folks are somewhere else

[Amur]

Isaac said:

So you wish for the absolute God to go away? So that the True Divinity inside humanity could take its throne?

[I'm inspired, so this next part might be high and haughty]

Do you not see friend? That this absolute god is the combined existence of all true divinity of human kind who have burned their cloths, known as incarnation, by the act of shining pure divine spirit through our soul! The Deitys of the christian, muslim, wiccan, pagan and many other faiths are but shadow to the absolute divinity of mankind? which is beyond reason and doubt.

I feel that this is not a question of GOD but rather of Death. I see you have many posts or ideas with claims that the world is in an awful state and death and suffering around every corner but as we are Spirits currently incarnated in a physical vessel, we have said vessel experience such sensations so they can be imprinted onto our "Spirit-Memory" and each of these sensations are like a note on the musical scale and we must eventually experience every one and learn it so we can then put it into practice and eventually create an experience which causes us to have the continous sensation known as "Harmony".

I feel this isn't a question of God betraying you but rather you fearing Death and looking for someone entity to help you out of said fear.

If you embrace and accept Death as "absolute" yet not eternal for you will incarnate again, you will have little to no worry of the world.

Also speaking in spiritual terms, Suicide and murder are not death for these are artificial process'es, True death is a natural occurence and will come when one's time is right.

I doubt true Divinity is beyond reason, in fact I think true Divinity is the very epitome of reason in the first place

Well the reason for it is that the world IS in fact in a horrible state compared to what it COULD be instead there is this black goo that is keeping most humans ignorant and inside certain contexts...

Don't think death has any real timing to it, unless one makes it so...

Thank you for the death thing, it was a thing that I feared greatly for some reason but made my peace with it today, which is quite nice and freeing... But unlike you I do not believe in a life after death to be honest, and even if there is life after death there's very much evidence inside my consciousness that all of the personality is in fact inside the body itself(spirit and soul also), so unless that is imprinted into the quantum world(or whatever world is after death) somehow keeping one's personality in tact it will very much go poof when one dies But of course there's a possibility that consciousness is a phenomenom that resides inside the quantum world, which makes all kind of weird shit possible (projecting anywhere in the universe, knowing everything that is within the whole universe and so forth)...

[Isaac]

When beyond reason, I think I ment beyond our comprehension, at least in your first incarnation.

The world is in a horrible state, do you have any plans on helping to fix that or you just one of those people who sit and moan all the time? (Personally I do have a plan or two but it can't be brought into full throttle till many years (like 20)

As for a clarification on afterlife, my knowledge of physics is very subtle to say the least. I believe, like we have cell memory so when we die all those cells gather into the ground as nutrients and fertilize it and then comes the plants which are of said cells which are then eated by animals (which are eaten by us) or we eat the plants themselves and in some form take on the memorys of said nutrients. This way re-incarnation can be more then one person at a time and we end up taking on the attributes and or memorys of said plant/animal/nutrients (which could explain the influence of our dreams)

Also, now I'm so confused, if there is no after-life, why does it matter that this god betrayed you? most people only wish to believe in GOD due to the hope of an afterlife.

[Amur]

Isaac said:

When beyond reason, I think I ment beyond our comprehension, at least in your first incarnation.

The world is in a horrible state, do you have any plans on helping to fix that or you just one of those people who sit and moan all the time? (Personally I do have a plan or two but it can't be brought into full throttle till many years (like 20)

As for a clarification on afterlife, my knowledge of physics is very subtle to say the least. I believe, like we have cell memory so when we die all those cells gather into the ground as nutrients and fertilize it and then comes the plants which are of said cells which are then eated by animals (which are eaten by us) or we eat the plants themselves and in some form take on the memorys of said nutrients. This way re-incarnation can be more then one person at a time and we end up taking on the attributes and or memorys of said plant/animal/nutrients (which could explain the influence of our dreams)

Also, now I'm so confused, if there is no after-life, why does it matter that this god betrayed you? most people only wish to believe in GOD due to the hope of an afterlife.

To be honest I hardly ever moan nor whine about anything, but yeah I've got tons of plans, and even more stuff to do, which plan do you want got a few thousand of them Somekind of genetic memorial imprint might be possible in certain senses but not sure...

You shouldn't confuse belief with fact even though I believe there is no afterlife there might still be one, or vice versa, pretty agnostic in this case and waiting for more proof. The thing that makes most phenomena so hard to decipher is because of the difference of the brain halves and their functions...

[Ulfr]

Isaac said:

When beyond reason, I think I ment beyond our comprehension, at least in your first incarnation.

The world is in a horrible state, do you have any plans on helping to fix that or you just one of those people who sit and moan all the time? (Personally I do have a plan or two but it can't be brought into full throttle till many years (like 20)

As for a clarification on afterlife, my knowledge of physics is very subtle to say the least. I believe, like we have cell memory so when we die all those cells gather into the ground as nutrients and fertilize it and then comes the plants which are of said cells which are then eated by animals (which are eaten by us) or we eat the plants themselves and in some form take on the memorys of said nutrients. This way re-incarnation can be more then one person at a time and we end up taking on the attributes and or memorys of said plant/animal/nutrients (which could explain the influence of our dreams)

Also, now I'm so confused, if there is no after-life, why does it matter that this god betrayed you? most people only wish to believe in GOD due to the hope of an afterlife.

What's your plan? It's ok, you can share! (show me yours, I'll show you mine, haha)

[Isaac]

Amur: Ah interesting point on how we intercept (I prefer to say interpret) information.

Ulfr: Generally just working on an Entreprenuership thing at the moment and if that does well I'd proabably be doing some basic but radical political work too. And yours?!

[Amur]

Isaac said:

Amur: Ah interesting point on how we intercept (I prefer to say interpret) information.

Yeah, had a pretty neat experience yesterday where I noticed how my brainhalf got shut down, and my other brain half to control which is the Nagual or the creative side, all ego disappeared from myself and I got somekind of 'enlightened feeling to myself'. Then when the logical part came back (the one with the language and detail thought) the ego came also back, which was pertty interesting to notice. Also saw how schizophrenia is created inside the mind and how it works and why it works as it works... Was pretty interesting

[Jeremiah Fuglseth]

Amur said:

So anyone else out there who has had God mess around with you (in an attempt to destroy you)? To me the God that most people seem to be worshipping lied to me in the worst way possible and now I'm very very enraged over the whole thing. I've heard from a few people before how the energies of God have literally tried to destroy them, but I'm wondering if there are any more of you on this forum? Atleast towards some other abductees the 'God-egregore' has behaved aggressively (which will be it's own doom of course).

What is it that makes you think the All is One god you are talking about is even capable of doing something like betraying someone? Are you referring to the actions of people more asleep than you are screwing with your life? That is maybe how I see it.

[Nocturnis]

If everything goes according to Gods plan then everything that happened to you is part of said plan. How can God betray you if what goes on is what he plans for you. The Christian God is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing thus unchanging so if he doesn't deviate from His plan there is no way he can betray you, you just don't see the big picture. In my opinion its your own psyche that causes to believe this. You seriously think you can kill God? You should kill your ego first and be reborn.

[VIRAL]

Dude, the non-human/non-mundane Powers don't give a damn, they are distant because humans are F*ing monsters. If we are not up to no good, cowardly and/ or spiteful from our own free will, then we are a dangerous failure/inferior creature that has been created by the former group's "vested interests." There are exceptions, and those are due only to the failures of god. By "god" I am referring to the avaricious, lazy, insatiable, condemning, solipisistic, rapethirsty, JUST PLAIN JEALOUS muthafukkahs who have decided the American Dream is too much of a challenge without being the nightmare it is now. God is not YHWH, IESHVA, Brahma, Allah or an Urgeist. God is SALIGIA.

But you can't always get what you want. Sometimes not even what you need...

This desolation, this mass-tomb of dreams is thriving with "life" (sic) but silent. It is a pregnant silence...

[Jeremiah Fuglseth]

Man, you are always so negative. I mean if you like it that way. But why would we be here, and them there, laughing at us or whatever? I mean really, is there any Logos at all behind this thought of the thing that made it all ,screwing with someone that it made, just because it doesn't like what that person looks like, or whatever?

[ChaosTech]

Hey Amur, to me the monotheistic God is quite pagan, he just likes his followers to say he's removed from that system. To me he is old man winter, the white pure light bound in the darkness. Infinity with a circle around it, Infinity as an ego. He lives in the middle of the Water element, the element that at the bottom is darkness and the void. He is like a star so far out in space it shines alone, and for this he is known as the solom or one god. Solom or one cause he's alone, and god because the bound light is so bright being bound so tightly. He studies life and makes clones of lifeforms even humans. He created the elysian (the light part of the underworld), angels, and most of them serve him like robots, some though have fallen or ran away to the other areas of the cosmos. He is known as the original "right sider," as in the underworld light and darkness are at war often, and will protect the just and innocent. He is cranky though and ignorantly selfish, and wants everyone to stay in the underworld with him, and not leave. If they do they are considered an enemy or atleast a forgiener. The high gods of other religions are sort of related to him, like Zeus, and so is Saint Nick, aka Santa Clause. He is the mater of snow and frost of the dark of winter, the season of the underworld.

You won't find this info anywhere else as this is what I experienced astral travelling several years ago. He is a good being, but light is fierce and coveting in the darkness, it has to be to survive.