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#41 Fiat Lux

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:59 PM

heres my view on magic(k)al attacks.

If it is to manipulate someone to do something I am okay with it (usually)
for instance if I want a girl to become totally infatuated with me then I might conjure up some spirit to do the set task.

If someone has threatened to attack me magical or not then I will send love and healing to him and pray that he is able to grow in all areas of life and that he be forgiven of his threats to me and ofcourse I say that I have forgiven him.

If I am to take part in a magical "War" (fuckin asshole who came up with the name needs to die lol) then by all means I will try to protect myself from harm but not harm the other person...the reason being...I am higher then them so I do not have to stoop so low that I have to waste time that I could use for growth to "send a curse".

I do not believe in the wiccan 3-fold law no offense but I think it is bull, I do believe in a 1-fold law which is newtons 3rd law of motion (every action has an equal and opposite reaction...{opposite here means back to wherever it came from})

Personally I think that wasting such valuable time on magickal attacks is pointless (MY opinion) but dont get me wrong If you think that it is justified then please curse the hell out of whoever you want but remember they might regret having ever said that to you and really have a desire to apologize or may feel guilty but If you curse them then how will you feel knowing that you lost control of yourself and sent "hate" and other divine virtues toward that poor person.

"The Mature person has the courage to walk away"
"The sage is kind to those who are kind, the sage is kind to those who are not kind, it is the Kindness of action itself."
"If someone hits you on the cheek, turn the other to them also so that they may hit your other cheek" ***
Ghandi said "nonviolent protest"
Islam said "peace"
Christianity said "love"
Judaism said "obedience"
Hinduism said "surrender"
Buddism said "detachment"
Some fuckin fool said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

***= about the cheek comment...I had an experience which really shames me when I think it about it...I slapped an aquaintence of mine on the cheek as a joke and he turned the other cheek and said "hit me there too so that it will be balanced on both sides" so I did...I thought it was just what he wanted but much later I found the true reason of his actions...the jesus thing...although I never actually mentioned it again to anyone just because it was such a small incident (or so it seems...)

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#42 Fiat Lux

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:28 PM

We are all fools and blind adepts by the way thinking that because we are "singled out by god" that we have the right to curse people, because we have the power, that we can curse people...fucking assholes we are...we are a bunch of spoiled six year olds thinking that the world revolves around us. we are all fools, stupid and inconsiderate, we think we are striving towards enlightenment and other shit but all we do is curse people even once thinking that they deserve it even.

We should be ashamed of ourselves we need to help guide those who are lost unto light not be stuck-up and egoistical and curse them because they are lower than us.

Somepeople are lost completely, so much so that they do not even realize what they are doing even though they think they do and then they say something to some fucking high magical adept and what does this adept do he/she curses the person to hell and summons up a fucking demon to ravage the person until there is not a sinlge piece of light left for this person so the person kills himself.

We should truly be ashamed of ourselves for doing things like this, not because of morals, not becasue of karma, not because of any fucking hypocritical thing that assholes these days see as "good" we should be ashamed because if we insulted the "true" high adepts and even summoned up hell to kill this "true adept" he/she would in all likelyhood even though he/she knew you or I did it he/she would only ask for forgiveness from you if he ever did anything wrong and accept his fate (like socrates, jesus and other fuckers who "the most high and mighty people of virtue and truth" decided to kill)

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P.S. my motto above means let there be light;it does not mean blot out the light. although I do not always follow it, we should be aware of its meaning because light doesnt discriminate on who to shine on, it shines if only for the sake of shining.

P.P.S.S= keep going....I'm a hypocrite...but seriously though...most people dont curse on a daily basis and usually they learn from their mistakes or not.
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Posted 01 December 2006 - 08:23 AM

But the ability to do something is the God-given right to. And it is a right everyone has. We also have the right not to, and freedom to choose.

A witch who can't hex, can't heal. The omelette is the apocalyse of the egg, and chemotherapy is a curse on cancer.

The manifest universe is, for those of us lucky enough to inhabit living bodies inside it, a machine fueled by paradox. Every truth, to be true, comprises its own contradiction.

We're all sentenced to life already - anything else is another learning experience if we can open our eyes, take our fingers out of our ears, and let ourselves see it.

Bah - I sound preachy. Sorry. It's late.


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Posted 02 December 2006 - 05:37 PM

Don't worry about sounding preachy, Caliban. This thread is meant for sharing one's views on this subject, and you shared yours. That's a good thing! I happen to pretty much agree with your views on this, by the way, Caliban.


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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:39 PM

Fiat Lux said:

"The Mature person has the courage to walk away"
"The sage is kind to those who are kind, the sage is kind to those who are not kind, it is the Kindness of action itself."
"If someone hits you on the cheek, turn the other to them also so that they may hit your other cheek" ***
Ghandi said "nonviolent protest"
Islam said "peace"
Christianity said "love"
Judaism said "obedience"
Hinduism said "surrender"
Buddism said "detachment"

Fiat Lux

If someone gives me reason to resort to magical attack, they are going down hard. If someone hits me, I will strike them back as hard as I can without batting an eyelid.

Peace breeds stagnation
Love under Will
Obedience spreads ignorance
Surrender leads to death
Detachment and absinance leads to one boring ass existence.

I respect your opinion Fait Lux, but I can't find any reason why your statements could be considerd wise.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 02:13 PM

Although it would be a fun experiment, I never found anyone that I could muster up enough hate for to warrant me to attack them (and I don't want to find either lol)! Still, I would like to curse someone lightly, just to see the effect... I never did anyting like that. Some dark parts of my personality make me believe I'd be good at it.

Back in early teen, and in the military, I was surrounded by bullies, but now I select the people I hang with and they are generally friendly and wise.

Searching my memory now, there was a credit fraud 8 years ago when I was in asia, those guys I wouldn't mind cursing, although I'd have no idea knowing if it had worked and therefore it would be pointless. The only feedback I could think of would be if they suddenly pay me back what they stole (a lot of money).

Also, some years ago, some people at my work backstabbed me but I never got my boss to tell me who it was. If they have issues with me, they can tell me in my face, I'm good with that. But this way, they showed no respect... How can I magically find out who it was, with some more certainty than getting the impression that some spirit tells me who it be? I certainly don't want to play with someone just on a hunch... (One good way would be if a fellow magician who does not know any of them actually comes up with their names!)

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:37 PM

well its good that you respect my opinion but the "wise sayings" were not from me they were from others.

Personally I do not like attacking someone magickally just because it lowers me to have to resort to cursing someone when I could just let it go, although if someone hits me physically I may hit them back.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:39 PM

I too find it very hard to summon enough hate for someone to actually do a fun on curse. They'd have to really piss me off. As far as the fraud you were victim to, maybe it'd just good catharsis if you did a curse. You'd feel better for it even if you didnt know the result and if something comes up (like you find out where they are or if you get money back) then just count it as an extra result.

As for 'lowering' myself if I were to curse someone, I'm not lower than them if I use magic. I'm using my Will to dominate them, thus I am superior (if the curse works that is). Punching someone back/revenge isnt a 'low' practice, if applied with enough care, time and effort, revenge can be most rewarding. A curse needent 'destroy' someone either, you might bring about a situation whereby someone who has offended you (etc), see's the error of their ways and reforms, learning from the experience.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 02:26 AM

I'm pretty much with the "magickal attacks are okay" crowd, to put it lightly. I've never had to use one yet, but one person in my daily life is just itching for one and he's got one final chance to prove otherwise before I wreck him.

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 07:33 AM

sounds rewarding:rolleyes:
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Posted 04 December 2006 - 06:59 PM

I quickly realized (thanks to my Goddess) that I can curse anyone I want, but after that, it will be a never ending cycle.

After my successful curse that I posted here a while back, I quickly ran into 3 more occasions to curse different people within a week of my success. I was offered money for one of those, too. I was temporarily drunk with power so to speak, but I resisted it, realizing that I had caused it in the first place. My Goddess helped me see that, and I'm thankful for that.

Since then everything has been nice and calm, no reason to curse anymore.
Although I'd do it again if someone attacked me or a friend/relative but at least I can control myself now.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 12:59 PM

I've been offered money to magically attack (with the intention to kill) a paedophile. I was sympathetic to the cause, but in the end I declined. It had nothing to do with me, so I offerd to teach the individual how to do it themselves. They didnt want to do that so I decided that it wasnt worth me doing anyway, if they'd been really serious they would have wanted to do it themselves instead of highering a 3rd party.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 07:16 PM

Alarum said:

I've been offered money to magically attack (with the intention to kill) a paedophile. I was sympathetic to the cause, but in the end I declined. It had nothing to do with me, so I offerd to teach the individual how to do it themselves. They didnt want to do that so I decided that it wasnt worth me doing anyway, if they'd been really serious they would have wanted to do it themselves instead of highering a 3rd party.

They prolly had belief in karma, which is why they wanted someone else to do it instead.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 08:43 PM

Not necessarily. If I want my car fixed, I take it to a mechanic, because I know that my talents lie elsewhere. It may simply have been a matter of others believing in Alarum's magic.

Karmically, if you hire a hitman, you are still committing violence. You are merely employing another person as your weapon. So if you contract for a working, it still goes on your record. IMO, of course.


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Posted 05 December 2006 - 08:57 PM

Caliban said:

Not necessarily. If I want my car fixed, I take it to a mechanic, because I know that my talents lie elsewhere. It may simply have been a matter of others believing in Alarum's magic.

Karmically, if you hire a hitman, you are still committing violence. You are merely employing another person as your weapon. So if you contract for a working, it still goes on your record. IMO, of course.

I don't believe in karma, but what you say makes sense. However, to that person, it might make sense that if Alarum had done it instead of them, that the "karma" they would've otherwise suffered would've been his burden instead since he performed it and not them.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 11:30 PM

In all fairness, even if karma was real (which I seriously doubt) I believe my act of destructive magic against said indicidual would have ballenced the scales. He raped a little kid, I would have been the vehicel of his karmic backlash, thus resturing the universe to equelibrium... if that were true of course.

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 12:17 AM

Ah... but maybe you would have been stealing the role from the person who is meant to be the agent of retribution? Say, perhaps, the child, all grown up & able to get a gun license?


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Posted 06 December 2006 - 01:11 AM

imo, its just as possible that he was supposed to act when requested, and not wait for more victims.

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A witch who can't hex, can't heal. The omelette is the apocalyse of the egg, and chemotherapy is a curse on cancer.

:up: i really love this quote.

imo, (not that im too much into karma or anything) its actually karmically "on" both the requester as well as the curser in a case where you have someone curse for you.

the curser should be practiced and knowledgeable and be able to protect themselves by knowing that they were obligated to act in the best interest of the community rather than for a selfish pursuit (a well practiced *** can tell the difference, imo)... this releases them, for the most part from karmic retribution, as well as pangs of guilt that they would have had later on if they did not act... however, in some cases the curser should be from another location for their own safety, of course.

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 02:17 AM

Caliban said:

I don't, as a rule, hex. That said, I have done two hexes that I recall - one a matter of afflicting someone who richly deserved it with an embarassing social disease (which gave me one wart I had not had previously, on my index finger), one a much more serious matter that involved conjuration of a force of retribution, which pretty much laid me up for the next seven years.

So I can't say I haven't done it... but I do generally believe it is the wrong approach to almost every problem. Not trying to be a goody two-shoes. I just prefer more evolutionary solutions.

I agree . "First do no harm ". I trust the universe . I see how quickly that which we put out returns to reward us or afflict us in kind . I have taken serious culprits to the Court of Justice in Spirit where I have made my statement of injury and had faith in the mercy and justic e of the universe . For example , I was first escorted there in projection when a daughter of mine was raped and left for dead . I was taken to the boy's jail cell where I pleaded with his higher self first to realise his path of self-destruction and asked for all karma and enmity to be removed from this action so that our family would not have to deal with his family again in this life or the next .

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 06:49 AM

I don't believe in gravity but it still exists. Same thing with karma, karma is not that hard to believe in...when you hit a wall, the same force that you hit the wall with bounces back on to you. well...cursing is like hitting a wall.

things balance out themselves...you don't need to put any effort into balancing out something that someone else did.
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